I will warn everyone that my arguments are very technical, and if you are unfamiliar with the concepts of modal logic, I encourage you to stop and read this primer on modal logic: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-modal/.
S5 Modal Logic
Modal logic is a type of logic used to represent and study statements about what is necessary and what is possible. We use modal logic to understand concepts such as knowledge, obligations, and causations [1].
In modal logic, we can divide beings into three categories:
In addition, we can divide worlds into three types:
In S5 modal logic, all possible worlds are accessible from each other, which means that what is possible, true, or necessary is consistent across the modal landscape.
The MOA
Let a maximally great being ( MGB hereafter) = A maximally great being who possesses all great-making properties, including, but not necessarily limited to:
Here is Alvin Plantinga's modal ontological argument [2]:
1. It is possible that an MGB exists.
2. If an MGB may exist, then a maximally great being exists in some possible worlds.
3. If an MGB in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world.
4. If an MGB exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world.
5. If an MGB exists in the actual world, then a maximally great being exists.
6. Therefore, an MGB exists.
1. It is possible that a maximally great being exists
When we state that it is possible for a maximally great being to exist, we are saying that there is a possible world in which there is an MGB. This MGB would possess all great-making properties to the maximum degree. This first premise is modest and only suggests that such a being is possible.
This premise is reasonable because there is nothing logically incoherent about such a being.
2. If an MGB may exist, then a maximally great being exists in some possible worlds.
Premise 2 is a logical continuation of modal logic. If something is possible, then it is possible in some possible state of affairs and some possible world. In addition, if something is possible in one world, then due to the accessible relationship between worlds in S5 logic, it holds that it is possible in every single possible world.
3. If an MGB in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world.
Because an MGB is defined as having all great-making properties, including necessary existence, then by definition it must exist in every single possible world.
4. If an MGB exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world.
By definition, our world is a possible world.
5. If an MGB exists in the actual world, then a maximally great being exists.
6. Therefore, an MGB exists.
These follow logically from premise 4. If such a being exists in the actual world, then such a being exists.
Conclusion
The first premise of the MOA is modest - it is merely possible that such a being exists. Within the S5 framework, we have shown that if it is even possible for an MGB to exist, then such a being must exist in every possible world, including the actual.
I look forward to your rebuttals.
Sources
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_logic
2. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ontological-arguments/#Moda
the problem in the argument is that it assumes a lot of definitions.
Maximally great being is defined as being which exists in all worlds.
that is existence already built in definition.
So saying "being which is defined as existing everywhere = exists", is a definitional tautology which only works as long as someone accepts a definition.
Likewise, definition of "possible" in modal logic doesnt really apply to reality, because saying that something is possible by our current knowledge is not saying it is possible by all knowledge out there.
So argument works as long as someone agrees to definitions. But why would someone agree to definition "maximally great being exists everywhere", and then argue it doesnt exist?
So, we can string together words and create non-sense within a reasonably coherent framework.
Though what the Modal Ontological Argument boils down to, is philosophically waffling verbiage that desperate theologians might resort to in moments of crisis...Often referred to somewhat disparagingly, as verbal diarrhoea
And sound is as sound is required to be.
The Ontological Argument for God is very old. Some form of it dates back to at least 1078 when it was proposed by Anselm of Canterbury. Since then, various philosophers have put forth other versions of it with minor adjustments. My opponent claims to be using the version put forth by Alvin Plantinga, which is possibly true, though I recognize it as the one used by William Lane Craig. However, you can only do so much to fix up a building that is built on a broken foundation, and the MOA is built on a bad foundation indeed. Allow me to explain.
Definition Troubles
My opponent says that a Maximally Great Being would have omnipotence, omniscience, moral perfection, and necessary existence. What is unclear to me is whether these qualities are antecedent to being maximally great or a consequent of it. If the former, then the definition of an MGB is entirely arbitrary and unjustified. The latter is also problematic, because 'greatness' is inherently subjective in most contexts. Even in mathematics, when something can objectively be greater than something else (for a particular definition of greatness), it is only a relative term - no number has the inherent quality of 'greatness'. This is relevant because an MGB may not even be a coherent entity in the first place. However, there is an even greater flaw with the MOA.
Proof That the MOA Begs the Question
Begging the question is when the conclusion to an argument is wholly contained within one of the premises. Arguments that beg the question are entirely useless, because one is forced to either just assume the conclusion without sufficient justification, or find a different argument to prove the conclusion independently, in which case the argument that begs the question is wholly redundant. The MOA is such an argument, and it is fairly easy to demonstrate this fact. Let us take a classic problem in mathematics, that of P versus NP. Consider this erroneous proof:
P3 is simple to prove, as P = NP is a mathematical statement, meaning that it isn't derived from any contingent truths, so it is either necessarily true or necessarily false. It can't be a contingent truth. So this argument would seem to be sound, except that we could just as easily 'prove' that P ≠ NP, and it's obviously impossible for both statements to be true at once.
The problem here is with the first premise - what do we mean when we say that it is 'possible' that P = NP or that an MGB exists? To be sure, P = NP is an epistemic possibility (meaning, we do not know that it is false). Brilliant mathematical minds from across the globe have been trying to solve the P versus NP problem for decades, yet no one has been able to do so. However, the form of the logic used in the MOA is not syllogistically valid if P1 is taken to refer to mere epistemic possibility. Consider this statement:
If Germany borders China, then it is possible to travel directly from Germany to China without passing through any other countries.
This statement is true, but it is vacuously true. The antecedent does entail the consequent, but the antecedent is false, so the statement is true in a way which is meaningless. Now, consider the 'proof' that P = NP reanalyzed like so:
It is now obvious that the argument is invalid - the premises do not entail the conclusion. Moreover, we also have to reconsider premises 2 and 3:
This is problematic, because P3 is also invalid on its own - since it is epistemically possible that P ≠ NP, it is not true that P = NP in every epistemically possible world even though P = NP is an epistemic possibility. We can rewrite:
...But this is not valid, either. Clearly, the logic being used here is only valid if we are talking about metaphysical possibility - that is, non-contradiction. Let's rewrite our argument to be logically valid:
At last, a valid argument! But wait, saying that P = NP is a metaphysical possibility is logically equivalent to actually saying that P = NP! We've assumed our conclusion right there in the first premise. So it goes with the MOA as well. Indeed, making things as logically tight as possible, we can rewrite the first premise of the MOA using formal symbols as follows:
1. ◊□M
...Where 'M' means 'a being which is maximally good exists'. (The diamond symbol used refers to possibility, while the square symbol indicates necessity.) However, under modal logic, the very system my opponent is using, ◊□A → □A. Thus, the first premise can be rewritten as follows, without it affecting the validity or soundness of the argument:
1. □M
In other words, the very first premise of the MOA states that an MGB necessarily exists, without justification. Despite what my opponent suggests, this is anything but a modest claim.
The Impossibility of Necessity
My opponent tries to define an MGB as having necessary existence. However, you cannot simply define an entity as being necessary, unless you are taking its existence to be axiomatic. Rather, necessary existence must be demonstrated.
In ontology, when we say that something is necessarily true, we are saying that it is impossible for it to fail to be true, even hypothetically. For a necessary truth to fail to be true is logically incoherent and meaningless. For instance, the mathematical statement "2 + 2 = 4" is a necessarily true statement because it is derived solely from logical and mathematical axioms - things which are held to be inherently true. In order to prove anything logically, there must be some things which are taken to be true axiomatically. Otherwise, we would never actually be able to prove anything.
However, it is only appropriate for us to take as axiomatic statements which relate to metaphysical truth - truths about the fundamental nature of reality and logic itself. For instance, we cannot take "the speed of light in a vacuum is constant" as an axiom even though our understanding of physics relies on it, as it does not follow from the basic laws of metaphysics. We can imagine a world where physics are completely different from our own world, and this does not contradict the fundamentals of logic itself.
This is relevant, because an MGB as defined is not a metaphysical entity. It must have at minimum:
An entity with a mind and a free will is not a metaphysical entity - it goes beyond statements about the fundamental nature of reality and logical reasoning. From basic axioms like the law of identity, the law of the excluded middle, and the axioms that anchor modal logic itself, we cannot prove that "a mind with a free will exists" is a true statement. At best, we could prove that it is possible (and even then, free will is a tricky subject and I am not willing to concede that it is possible in a meaningful way), but not that it is necessary. It simply does not follow from metaphysical necessities. Therefore, any entity with omniscience, and/or omnipotence, and/or moral perfection is inherently a contingent entity.
However, this contradicts the definition of an MGB as having necessary existence! Thus, maximal greatness either can't include necessary existence, or it is simply logically incoherent. Either way, the MOA is unsound.
My opponent may object to the validity of this logic. However, I ask them this: what is logically incoherent about a world with no MGB? If it is my opponent's claim that an MGB is a non-contingent entity (which hasn't been demonstrated), and it is even an epistemic possibility that an MGB does not exist, then we cannot soundly conclude that an MGB is a metaphysical possibility. And if we cannot soundly conclude that an MGB is a metaphysical possibility, then we cannot conclude P1 of the MOA. Therefore, it has not been demonstrated to be sound - and that's precisely the burden of proof my opponent has. He has been unable to meet it.
Thank you for reading! I yield the floor.