The Use of Artificial Intelligent Agents (AI) on Debate Sites Should Be Banned

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Proponents of banning AI argue that reliance on AI tools may undermine the development of genuine critical thinking, give unfair advantages, and increase the risk of misinformation or fabricated evidence. Opponents contend that AI can enhance research efficiency, improve argument quality, and support inclusiveness and transparency when used responsibly. This debate involves broader ethical themes surrounding AI—such as fairness, accountability, and transparency—and reflects ongoing discussions about how to integrate AI tools in ways that uphold integrity while embracing technological progress.

Round 1

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avatar Con #1

This argument was augmented by Perplexity Pro:


AI chatbots on debate websites aren't about creating a robot uprising or replacing human interaction. They're about enhancing the quality and accessibility of online discourse. They can serve as patient teachers, research assistants, devil's advocates, and diplomatic mediators all rolled into one.


In a world where online discussions often devolve into digital food fights, AI chatbots can help maintain the kind of thoughtful, evidence-based discourse that makes debate worthwhile in the first place. They can help users develop better arguments, consider new perspectives, and engage with ideas more deeply.


So let's welcome our new AI debate partners – not as replacements for human discussion, but as valuable additions to the conversation. After all, if we're going to argue about pineapple on pizza until the end of time (and let's be honest, we probably will), we might as well do it with style, substance, and the occasional well-timed citation from our digital friends.


The future of online debate isn't humans versus machines – it's humans with machines, creating richer, more thoughtful, and dare we say it, more fun discussions for everyone involved. And really, isn't that worth debating about?


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This argument was not augmented by Perplexity Pro.


My case is based on these two claims:


  1. Debate sites should ban users from presenting another person's arguments as their own in a debate.
  2. Artificially intelligent agents, or at least the ones that people are likely to use to augment their arguments, are capable enough debaters that they qualify as "another person" as described in (1).


(1) should go without saying. In a one-on-one debate, presenting somebody else's arguments as your own is plagiarism if done without their permission and cooperative cheating otherwise. I would not necessarily object to AI-enhanced arguments being allowed in a separate category of debates, but this would still qualify as AI being "banned", just not totally banned, since debates which allow AI assistance would be cordoned off. This would be the same as allowing team debates which are clearly categorized as such, while still forbidding individuals in non-team debates from receiving help from others.


(2) is because there are now artificially intelligent agents, like ChatGPT or Perplexity AI or many others, which can generate entire debate submissions that are at least superficially human-like and reasonable. This fundamentally separates AI agents from other technologies that a debater might employ to help formulate their arguments, like encyclopedias or search engines, because they can, with nothing more than a prompt, write something that could be posted in an online debate like this one and, without any modifications by the human debater, be considered by voters a passable submission, although perhaps not the most persuasive piece of rhetoric ever. A person could also do this, whereas books and online databases cannot. Therefore, in the limited sense of seeking help from other people, AI agents are people.


From the debate description:


Proponents of banning AI argue that reliance on AI tools may undermine the development of genuine critical thinking, give unfair advantages, and increase the risk of misinformation or fabricated evidence. Opponents contend that AI can enhance research efficiency, improve argument quality, and support inclusiveness and transparency when used responsibly.


All the claims listed here for both sides are probably true and certainly irrelevant. What matters is whether or not using AI is equivalent to having another human write your argument for you, which it is. That is my entire case, but I might as well address some specific claims you made even though rebutting them is tangential.


In a world where online discussions often devolve into digital food fights, AI chatbots can help maintain the kind of thoughtful, evidence-based discourse that makes debate worthwhile in the first place.


Online discussions should not be devolving into digital food fights anyway, especially not on a debate site, on the understanding that "debate site" means "civilized-debate site". If discussions are becoming the cyberspace equivalent of cafeteria brawls, this should be addressed directly. Saying that debate sites should allow AI because AI can be thoughtful is like saying that boxers should be allowed to use guns because guns can have a safety mechanism, notwithstanding that AI agents do not always generate thoughtful and evidence-based discourse, and are notorious for hallucinating non-facts.


After all, if we're going to argue about pineapple on pizza until the end of time (and let's be honest, we probably will), we might as well do it with style, substance, and the occasional well-timed citation from our digital friends.


An "occasional well-timed citation" from ChatGPT, as opposed to wholesale outsourcing, sounds innocent enough, but, in the context of debates on a debate site, it is still equivalent to an occasional well-timed sentence plagiarized from another human. If stealing a car is wrong, stealing a catalytic converter is wrong too. (That said, I suppose people who pirated movies in the early 2000s might laugh at the notion that they wouldn't steal a car.)


The future of online debate isn't humans versus machines – it's humans with machines, creating richer, more thoughtful, and dare we say it, more fun discussions for everyone involved. And really, isn't that worth debating about?


Online debate is necessarily a matter of humans with machines. Otherwise it would be offline debate. The problem is that AI agents are machines human enough that using them makes online debate a matter of humans with kinda-sorta humans. Letting competitive bicyclists use a motorcycle would make races richer and more interesting, if not more thoughtful. This does not mean that the next Tour de France should be sponsored by Harley-Davidson.

Round 2

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avatar Con #3

@Thoth


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Your arguments contain several challenging assumptions and weak logical foundations that warrant scrutiny:


Challenge 1: The "Another Person" Equivalence Is Deeply Flawed

Your core claim that AI systems qualify as "another person" rests on a fundamental category error. You argue that because AI can generate human-like text that could pass as a debate submission, it therefore constitutes "another person." This conflates functional similarity with ontological equivalence.

The personhood problem: AI systems lack consciousness, intentionality, and genuine understanding. They're sophisticated pattern-matching systems, not thinking beings. When someone uses a calculator, they're not "getting help from another mathematician" simply because the calculator can solve equations. The fact that AI output resembles human reasoning doesn't make it human reasoning any more than a photograph of a person makes the photograph a person.

The generation vs. creation distinction: AI doesn't create arguments in the way humans do—it synthesizes patterns from training data without understanding or belief. When a human presents an AI-generated argument, they're not presenting "someone else's" argument but rather the output of a sophisticated tool, much like using advanced statistical software or translation programs.


Challenge 2: Your Plagiarism Analogy Breaks Down

You claim that using AI arguments without attribution is "plagiarism if done without permission and cooperative cheating otherwise." This misunderstands both plagiarism and the nature of AI systems.

Plagiarism requires an author: Plagiarism involves taking credit for another person's intellectual work. AI systems don't own intellectual property, have no creative intent, and can't be wronged by misattribution. The legal and ethical frameworks around plagiarism simply don't apply to machine-generated content.

The collaborative tools precedent: Humans routinely use tools that enhance their capabilities without this being considered "cheating." Grammar checkers suggest better phrasing, spell-checkers prevent errors, and research databases provide information. The fact that AI assistance is more sophisticated doesn't categorically change its nature as a tool.


Challenge 3: The Binary Classification Ignores Nuance

Your argument assumes that any technology must be either "like a book" (passive information source) or "like a person" (active collaborator). This false dichotomy ignores the possibility that AI represents a new category of tool that doesn't neatly fit either classification.

Degrees of assistance: There's a significant difference between using AI to brainstorm ideas, check grammar, find sources, or generate entire arguments. Your framework would ban all AI assistance equally, which seems disproportionate and impractical.

The enhancement vs. replacement distinction: Many AI applications enhance rather than replace human reasoning—helping organize thoughts, suggesting counterarguments to consider, or improving clarity without fundamentally authoring the argument.


Challenge 4: Your Practical Concerns May Be Overstated

The "unfair advantage" assumption: You assume AI gives users an unfair advantage, but this presumes that all debaters don't have equal access to these tools. In reality, most AI systems are freely available, making them more democratizing than exclusionary.

The quality assumption: Your argument assumes AI consistently produces high-quality arguments that give users an unfair edge. However, AI-generated content often lacks nuance, context-sensitivity, and genuine insight that skilled human debaters provide.


Challenge 5: Your Analogies Are Problematic

The motorcycle/bicycle analogy: This comparison fails because unlike motorcycles versus bicycles, AI doesn't fundamentally change the nature of the activity. Using AI tools is more analogous to using better training equipment or nutrition science—enhancements that remain within the bounds of the sport.

The gun/boxing analogy: This dramatically overstates both the power of AI and the nature of the "harm" it might cause. AI assistance in debate is more comparable to using performance-enhancing (but legal) training methods than to introducing weapons into a sport.


Challenge 6: Definitional and Enforcement Problems

Definitional vagueness: Your proposal lacks clear boundaries. What constitutes "presenting another person's arguments"? Is paraphrasing AI content acceptable? What about using AI for research but writing original arguments? These ambiguities make enforcement nearly impossible.

The verification problem: How would debate sites actually detect AI use? Current detection tools are unreliable, and sophisticated users could easily circumvent restrictions. Your proposal may be practically unenforceable.


Challenge 7: The Categorical Approach Ignores Context

One-size-fits-all problems: Different types of debates serve different purposes. Academic exercises, casual discussions, and competitive tournaments might reasonably have different standards for tool usage.

The transparency alternative: Rather than blanket bans, requiring disclosure of AI assistance might better serve the goal of fair competition while allowing innovation and accessibility improvements.


Fundamental Philosophical Objection

Your argument ultimately rests on a naturalistic fallacy—the assumption that debate must remain "purely human" to be valuable. But humans have always used tools to enhance their capabilities. The question isn't whether AI assistance is "natural" but whether it serves the underlying purposes of debate: testing ideas, improving arguments, and advancing understanding.


Your framework treats AI assistance as categorically different from other cognitive enhancements (education, training, research tools) without adequately justifying this special status. This suggests your position may be driven more by intuitive discomfort with AI than by principled reasoning about debate ethics.

avatar Pro #4

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Before rebutting, I will restate my case. Firstly, getting another person to write your debate for you is wrong. Secondly, AI agents like ChatGPT count as a person for this purpose. Con needs to refute at least one of these claims. His Challenges might seem like they have done so. I will show why they fail to refute my case and sometimes fail to address it.


Rebuttal to Challenge 1: "Another Person" equivalence makes perfect sense in this context


Con claims that AI agents are a lower type of mind than ours, as they, "lack consciousness, intentionality, and genuine understanding", are, "sophisticated pattern-matching systems, not thinking beings", and their output, "synthesizes patterns from training data without understanding or belief". First off, I won't name names, but I can think of quite a few humans who seem to fit that description. More importantly, questions like what is going on in the AI's "mind" or whether or not the AI is self-aware are irrelevant to the key point, which is that AI-generated arguments can look human-generated. The seeming coherency of Con's argument is his own worst enemy here. By posting an argument better than what a lot of humans could come up with, he has proven my point that getting help from Perplexity Pro is like getting help from a person.


Somewhat tangentially, Con's calculator analogy reveals a destitute view of mathematicians. Research-level mathematics is the investigation of logical structures. Buying a soldering iron does not make you a welder.


Con says, "When a human presents an AI-generated argument, they're not presenting "someone else's" argument but rather the output of a sophisticated tool, much like using advanced statistical software or translation programs." Not necessarily. What if the human lied by saying they wrote it?


Rebuttal to Challenge 2: No, my plagiarism analogy does not break down, but your grasp of AI ethics does


Con claims that using AI-generated text cannot be plagiarism because AI cannot be wronged in this way like humans can be. I am not well versed in AI law, but I will not contest that the legal frameworks around plagiarism do not apply to machine-generated content. Whether or not the ethical frameworks apply is a different question. What if it turns out that AI agents are self-aware? Wouldn't they then be ethically, if not legally, entitled to not have their output plagiarized? When I said that presenting someone else's arguments as your own is plagiarism, I meant that in the ethical sense, not necessarily the legal sense.


Many societies throughout history have practiced slavery. If a slave, a human with no legal rights, wrote my argument for me, I would still be plagiarizing from them.


Citing the precedent of collaborative tools misses my point entirely. Nobody has ever written an entire debate by asking Clippy for help.


Rebuttal to Challenge 3: Nuances schmuances


Con claims that there is a significant difference between using AI to generate an entire argument and using AI for relatively minor help. No there isn't. Everything Con said here can be applied to humans as well as AI. If you asked another human to look over your debate round before you submit it and point out spelling errors, you would still be requesting assistance against the spirit of writing your debate yourself. Just because crime A is worse than crime B does not mean crime B is okay.


Rebuttal to Challenge 4: I was talking about ethical concerns, not practical ones


This challenge is a non-contention to my thesis. AI agents probably would give many debaters, i.e., the less competent ones, an advantage, but whether or not they do is irrelevant to whether or not using AI-generated content is equivalent to plagiarism. Unskilled human debaters also lack, "nuance, context-sensitivity, and genuine insight that skilled human debaters provide", yet, if Neil deGrasse Tyson copied a paragraph from a C- freshman essay, he would still have plagiarized it.


Rebuttal to Challenge 5: Not problematic! Just misunderstood!


Con misunderstands the point I was making with each of the analogies he mentioned. My motorcycle analogy was to point out that making something more superficially interesting or fun does not make it better. My boxing-gun safety analogy was to point out that AI agents can generate false or otherwise objectionable content. I never said that using AI gives as large an advantage to a debater as a Harley to a bicyclist or a gun to a boxer.


Rebuttal to Challenge 6: Same problems we had anyway


Does my proposal lack clear boundaries? Only insofar as the boundaries were unclear anyway. "Is paraphrasing AI content acceptable?" Yes when paraphrasing human content is acceptable and no when it is unacceptable. I don't need to go into details about when paraphrasing another human's words is or is not acceptable because my point stands that human and AI content are equivalent for this purpose.


"How would debate sites actually detect AI use?" How would debate sites detect if you paid someone else to write your debate for you? They might not, yet that does not mean outsourcing your debates should not be banned. Even if a ban were practically unenforceable, which Con suggests but does not establish beyond a reasonable doubt, this would not make a de jure ban wrong.


Rebuttal to Challenge 7: The "Context" approach ignores that plagiarism is wrong


Con says, "Academic exercises, casual discussions, and competitive tournaments might reasonably have different standards for tool usage." One thing that academic exercises and competitive tournaments have in common is that plagiarism is wrong. I accept that academic exercises could generally allow for use of AI-generated text, at least if the text is disclosed as AI-generated, but that is no different than having a co-author on a research paper. As for competitive tournaments, if the tournament is mano-a-mano (or meno-a-meno, if each side has more than one human), then using AI-generated text is plagiarism. I could see a tournament that specifically allows AI assistance, but this would need to be in a separate category from normal debates, and, as I said in the previous round, I consider this cordoning off to be a form of ban.


Rebuttal to Con's "Fundamental Philosophical Objection"


Con claims my argument rests on the "naturalistic fallacy" that debate "must remain "purely human" to be valuable". My argument actually rests on the claim that debate must remain purely the work of one human or specified group of humans to not be cheating.


Con says, "The question isn't whether AI assistance is "natural" but whether it serves the underlying purposes of debate: testing ideas, improving arguments, and advancing understanding." Again, Con missed my point entirely. The question isn't whether AI assistance is better than human assistance or readily detectable or easily accessible to anyone with an Internet connection. The question is whether or not AI assistance is, in the context of debates on a debate site, morally equivalent to human assistance. I believe I have shown that it is and refuted Con's attempts to show otherwise. Con repeats this mistake in the next paragraph: "Your framework treats AI assistance as categorically different from other cognitive enhancements (education, training, research tools) without adequately justifying this special status." Con has it backwards. Con treats AI assistance as categorically different from human assistance without adequately justifying this special status.


Con closes with, "This suggests your position may be driven more by intuitive discomfort with AI than by principled reasoning about debate ethics." Ah, yes. AId hominem.

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It just seems obvious that you would ban it. You are arguing against a human, not AI. Use AI to learn, but don't have AI do the work for you.

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"I suppose people who pirated movies in the early 2000s might laugh at the notion that they wouldn't steal a car"
Lol... Also, fuck I'm old.

This debate is fairly close, with me heavily agreeing with points from both sides; and I suspect a third round would have tipped it to pro's favor. As is, there's outlier uses of it which shouldn't be banned, but a general ban seems most ethical (even if it cannot be perfectly enforced); with more time, he likely could have gotten some headway on more uses that should not be banned to imply a general ban ought to not be done.

Ultimately, I had to really consider if the intent of the debate was speech writers or spell check (FYI, that's not AI). Con at one point insists pro must prove all use of AI must be banned, but the resolution he wrote is "Artificial Intelligent Agents" which I am not going to take too literally (of course we ban spambots), but it clearly shows the intent of the debate is a sophisticated level of AI use, going well beyond asking an AI to open another tool to apply spell check for you (even if pro would also argue against that since it's equivalent to stealing a car).

So should faking human effort by plagiarizing AIs be banned? Pro made a compelling case that it is plagiarism, and frankly, gets style points for catching that cons definition plenty of humans don't count as people. His point to human slaves deprived of rights drives this home.

Cons case opened with some nice rhetoric but a lack of substance, and then proceeded to let pro define the debate, and even tried to refute the most trivial things like the bike analogy.
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-SUMMARY-
PRO successfully argued that using AI to write some or all of a person's argument should be banned. PRO failed to convince me that all use of AI should be banned in any capacity, even as a spell-checker or tool to find sources. Based on the resolution, CON wins.

-JUSTIFICATION-
I voted for CON because I do not believe PRO went far enough in their argumentation to win the debate. Many good points were made by PRO, but the resolution was not just about banning the use of AI to write arguments. Since no caveats were given, PRO should have been arguing for a comprehensive ban of AI use. I used this understanding to analyze the debate.

CON did a decent job of countering the idea that AI should be considered a person who can be plagiarized. Pointing out that AI does not have legal protections and challenging a binary categorization were helpful in this. However, PRO made a valid point that AI can make arguments that can be passed off as the work of a human. Even without the status of personhood, the debater is not the one writing their own argument if AI is being used in that way.

What I wasn't convinced of was that even using AI as a spell checker should be banned. An online debate site is not the same as a formal in-person debate. I feel PRO was begging the question by assuming that having another human spell check your argument before posting was unethical. I don't personally do this, but I also don't think it would be unethical to do so in an online debate setting.

The same could be said for using another human to help you find sources as long as you write the actual argument. This is maybe a little more questionable, but I'm not convinced it's unethical and PRO never tried to justify this claim. Again, it was just assumed that human assistance in any capacity should not be allowed for online debates.

CON summarized their defense well by stating in round 2, "There's a significant difference between using AI to brainstorm ideas, check grammar, find sources, or generate entire arguments. Your framework would ban all AI assistance equally, which seems disproportionate and impractical." PRO hinged their entire position on the assumption that ALL human assistance should be banned for ethical reasons, therefore all AI assistance should be banned. I believe PRO's case fell short in that regard.
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Pro presumably has the BoP, but Con argues first, which make the intended burdens a little unclear. I don't recommend making yourself go first as Con, as it gives your opponent an advantage. I will be operating under the assumption that Pro has the BoP.

Pro's case is pretty simple, arguing that passing off the work of another person is wrong and should be banned on a debate site, and that using AI to generate arguments is equivalent to doing so. Con argues that AI can't be considered a person since AI doesn't have true mental faculties and doesn't reason in the same way that humans can. Rather, it is a tool that humans use, and enforcing an AI ban would be difficult.

Pro counters the point about personhood by arguing that, whether one is using arguments written by another human or an AI, the effect is the same, since AI arguments are generally very coherent and human-like. Pro also counters the point about AI simply being a tool by pointing out how much more advanced it is than other tools like a spellchecker or a simple research tool, since none of those can generate an entire round of argument according to the user's wishes. Lastly, the point about enforcement is countered by pointing out how using work written by a different human may be undetectable in practice, but it would still be rational and arguably even common sense for a debate site to ban it. I think Pro's counters each win out over Con's here, as they have clear impacts regarding the ethical issues AI brings up which Con does not sufficiently respond to.

In summary, I don't think Pro's case is sufficiently undermined by Con's case to prevent them from meeting their burdens. Therefore, Pro wins.