We live totally under the system of monetary supremacy.

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Round 1

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Mal
Pro #1

People that believe they're not always in debt but have not been out of the commerce system since being born, strong and confident enough to be taught this making comments but can't demonstrate in a debate, has a false sense of reality. Quite frankly delusional and dishonest with themselves.


Moving on.


We that live and support ourselves by means of making transactions exchanging records of credits, values notarized as currency official from the government in the land in which we live on is of what is called the economic system.


A commerce system which is the exchange of goods and services. Through services , goods are given, received, used and consumed so that enables us to live, function and perpetuate a society to function.


The exchanging of records is what one refers to as an account. A bank account or a bank record.


It is an account or record of the amount of assets, credits, noteworthy values or notes officiated by respective government to use in exchanging what it is that contributes in some form or another the livelihood.


I shouldn't have to break down the monetary system in bolts and nuts.


I believe we both understand what money is, what currency is.



My main objective is to explain the system in how we are subject to it. That is, without it , while being in it, we can't do anything at all .


Not anything that doesn't involve it or money.


The system of monetary supremacy is a debt system. That's why as long as you use money in a system where others require it, debt is always there.


It's an obligation of payment. When you're obligated, you're enslaved, you're subject.


You're subjected to the system of monetary supremacy.


It does reign supreme over your life. The cost to save your life, the price to pay to treat it. The dollar dominates.


No matter what it is , as long as you dwell within the system of monetary supremacy, money is involved, it dominates, it is supreme.


When you wake from slumber , stand up, walk or roll in a chair, scooter, until you lay down , it costs. You are obligated to financial payment.


Even while you sleep, it's at cost. No such thing as "financial freedom".


You're not free from finances. You're not free from debt or being obligated to surrender or render funds.


I likened this to the nine areas of people activity that are written about by Neely Fuller Jr. , rest in peace.


In alphabetical order, the areas are the following.


Economics.


Education.


Entertainment .


Labor .


Law .


Politics.


Religion .


Sex .


War .


Every one of these nine areas of people activity involves money some way somehow within the system of monetary supremacy directly or indirectly.


Let's look at a couple. Like sex. Yes sex, involves money directly or indirectly. Not necessarily just escort services/prostitution or general legalized prostitution(pornography).


When you take a breath, take a walk in the park, tying your shoes, saying hello, just standing still, you name it.


It is at a cost.


That is directly, indirectly, one way or another.


I yield.



“When you wake from slumber , stand up, walk or roll in a chair, scooter, until you lay down , it costs. You are obligated to financial payment.”


I’m not sure how waking up, standing, walking, rolling, scooting, and lying down costs money. People were able to do these things before money was invented. People without money can do these things.


“Let's look at a couple. Like sex. Yes sex, involves money directly or indirectly. Not necessarily just escort services/prostitution or general legalized prostitution(pornography).”


Money is only half of the p*rn industry. The other half is the s*xual content. The “stars” try to appeal to their audience by doing sus stuff.


“When you take a breath, take a walk in the park, tying your shoes, saying hello, just standing still, you name it.”


What country are you living in where it costs money to breathe? This isn’t the Lorax, buddy.




Just because money is part of everyday life doesn’t mean we are under total supremacy of money, enslaved to money, or always in debt.


I think people are really enslaved to pride. Money only represents wealth. The US dollar represents gold. All money is based on something. People can trade when they don’t have money.


I am confused how you think every single daily activity is somehow connected to money. It’s not. It’s not always about money.


Cryptocurrencies are now a thing, too.


Also, people do things for other reasons. For love, lust, family, friends, peace, etc. Human desire extends far beyond money.

Round 2

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"I’m not sure how waking up, standing, walking, rolling, scooting, and lying down costs money. People were able to do these things before money was invented. People without money can do these things."


We're not talking about before money existed. If you notice, I continue to emphasize "within the system of monetary supremacy".


I continue to say that to keep you in the correct frame of mind. But I haven't said it enough.


Think about it. Within the monetary system, what does that mean?


In order to live requires money paid to somebody in whatever you do or have to do to keep living. To keep breathing, right.


While you breathe, what do you do?


All those activities, walking, rolling, scooting, and lying down, waking up. Any activity you can think of , you're able to do because you have energy. Why do you have energy? It's because of nourishment and water.


Bingo. These things cost.


"What country are you living in where it costs money to breathe? This isn’t the Lorax, buddy."


Just went over this.......buddy.....pal.....sidekick..... Robin.

Breathing takes energy. What is the cost of money for it?


"Just because money is part of everyday life doesn’t mean we are under total supremacy of money, enslaved to money, or always in debt."


Ok well name a thing that a person can do that has no involvement or connection to money directly or indirectly within the monetary system .



"I am confused how you think every single daily activity is somehow connected to money. It’s not. It’s not always about money.




Cryptocurrencies are now a thing, too.




Also, people do things for other reasons. For love, lust, family, friends, peace, etc. Human desire extends far beyond money"


All you got to do is name one thing people can do without money at all where money is not related whatsoever.


Being within the system is exactly what that says. You're not outside of it or uninvolved.

“We're not talking about before money existed. If you notice, I continue to emphasize "within the system of monetary supremacy".”


I’m saying we weren’t under the so-called total control of money before. This would have to have come over time. You make it sound like we’re trapped, but we could easily get out of this “trap.”


“In order to live requires money paid to somebody in whatever you do or have to do to keep living. To keep breathing, right.”


That’s a bizarre way of thinking. Breathing does not cost money. It might cost money to stay alive, but breathing is a side activity done involuntarily and subcontiously to stay alive.


“All those activities, walking, rolling, scooting, and lying down, waking up. Any activity you can think of , you're able to do because you have energy. Why do you have energy? It's because of nourishment and water. Bingo. These things cost.”


Well, there’s other ways to get water. Rainwater? Also with the “energy” you make it sound like we are trading money for water to then trade for activities. This oversimplifies how the world works.


“Ok well name a thing that a person can do that has no involvement or connection to money directly or indirectly within the monetary system.”


Like hookup culture wasn’t started from money but from pride. Humans do things for pride. People get addicted to porn from being brainwashed and brainrotted. Humans have lust and greed. People don’t really do things for money but because what that money can do.


Friendships have no connection to money. What about being kind to people? Natural things don’t cost money.

Round 3

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"I’m saying we weren’t under the so-called total control of money before. This would have to have come over time. You make it sound like we’re trapped, but we could easily get out of this “trap.” "


All I'm saying is, we can't do without. That's either true or false and if it's false, try living without it within the system.


"That’s a bizarre way of thinking. Breathing does not cost money. It might cost money to stay alive, but breathing is a side activity done involuntarily and subcontiously to stay alive."


If you do not pay for something that requires you to live on, you will stop breathing. So you pay for things directly or indirectly which includes breathing, blinking an eye , clearing your throat.


It's an indepth way of thinking. You're thinking about everything on the surfaces.


You have to think about everything being connected.


"Well, there’s other ways to get water. Rainwater? Also with the “energy” you make it sound like we are trading money for water to then trade for activities. This oversimplifies how the world works.' "


It costs to exist. It costs to be born. Money had to be paid for you being born in a hospital.


"Like hookup culture wasn’t started from money but from pride. Humans do things for pride. People get addicted to porn from being brainwashed and brainrotted. Humans have lust and greed. People don’t really do things for money but because what that money can do.




Friendships have no connection to money. What about being kind to people? Natural things don’t cost money."


Everything you just said you do while what?


Living.


The phrase "cost of LIVING " comes to mind. It costs to live. So in order to do everything else, money is by some way or another involved.


Everything is connected. Money is connected. We are subject to it.


Think of it like oxygen in the environment. It doesn't matter where you are . You're not breathing up my air or vice versa. One way or another we are subject and in the environment connected to it.


“If you do not pay for something that requires you to live on, you will stop breathing.”


Breathing is something we do to stay alive. There are other ways to die. I think your sentence is also worded wrong.


“So you pay for things directly or indirectly which includes breathing, blinking an eye , clearing your throat.”


I wouldn’t say breathing, blinking, and coughing cost money themselves. With your logic, I would say they are more of a free bonus when you pay to live.


“It costs to be born. Money had to be paid for you being born in a hospital.”


Someone else pays for you being born. Babies are not under your “system of monetary supremacy.”


“Think of it like oxygen in the environment. It doesn't matter where you are . You're not breathing up my air or vice versa. One way or another we are subject and in the environment connected to it.”


This is different. In the Lorax, they actually had to pay for money to get fresh air. In the real world, air comes free with being alive.

Round 4

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Mal
Pro #7

"Breathing is something we do to stay alive. There are other ways to die. I think your sentence is also worded wrong."


You prove that any person breathing in the system of monetary supremacy can continue to breathe in it, without money being involved or in connection without it.


Just plain and simple.


"I wouldn’t say breathing, blinking, and coughing cost money themselves. With your logic, I would say they are more of a free bonus when you pay to live."


Yes not directly. It's called indirectly.


"Someone else pays for you being born. Babies are not under your “system of monetary supremacy.”


There you go so it does cost for you to exist. Directly or indirectly, money is required for your existence. Everybody that requires money to exist is under the system.


It doesn't matter if I personally pay for a meal or not. Money is still required for me to get fed. Therefore I am still subject to it whether I directly meet the obligation or not. I'm still obligated period.


Take your mind out of this box.


Take your mind out of this box.


Take your mind out of this box.


"In the real world, air comes free with being alive."


Can I live without money in a systemic civilization ran and operated by it ?

"You prove that any person breathing in the system of monetary supremacy can continue to breathe in it, without money being involved or in connection without it."


People don't directly need money to survive. Money is only "needed" because we have made our world this way. Plenty of people also live without money, like babies, kids with allowances, moneyless people on the street.


Also, breathing is just something humans do naturally. It's just something we happen to do to stay alive while being under this "system of monetary supremacy."


"Yes not directly. It's called indirectly."


If it's indirectly, then we no longer live "totally" under this system as the debate title says.


"There you go so it does cost for you to exist. Directly or indirectly, money is required for your existence. Everybody that requires money to exist is under the system."


It depends what we mean by "exist." Existence is supposed to be metaphysical, which doesn't relate to money. You just mean "stay alive." Breathing does not cost money, it's just a bonus thing we do while paying for life.


"It doesn't matter if I personally pay for a meal or not. Money is still required for me to get fed. Therefore I am still subject to it whether I directly meet the obligation or not. I'm still obligated period."


Food doesn't necessarily cost money. You can eat grass to stay alive. You can hunt in the wild. You can collect rainwater.


"Can I live without money in a systemic civilization ran and operated by it ?"


The money is all in our head. The US dollar represents gold. Cryptocurrencies are also emerging. People often buy gold and cryptocurrencies because they know they are above your "system of monetary supremacy."

Round 5

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Mal
Pro #9

Case closed.

Not sure what pro means by “case closed.”


Mal seems to be giving up on our debates. Mal has nothing to say back.

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fauxlaw Global Moderator
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A nonsense debate. Sorry, but I am not "always in debt." I own my residences and my vehicles, debt-free. I can go completely off grid within 30 seconds at any time, and have sufficient supply of daily needs of power, food, water, and all other needed consumables and endure off-grid as long as four years, if needed. I own gold and silver in sufficient quantity in case US currency goes south. Why else am I possibly "always in debt?"

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Mal
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Playing that jeopardy theme. Nobody.

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This is indefensible

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The concept that we live totally under a "system of monetary supremacy" is a critical and widely discussed idea, particularly within political economy and social commentary
. It argues that monetary concerns and the accumulation of financial wealth are the dominant, driving forces in society, shaping institutions, culture, and individual lives. This viewpoint asserts that the pursuit of financial gain and capital growth is prioritized over other human and social needs. I see no argument against this.

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No one challenges this, it seems.

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Just put that in description then?

And what do you mean by"anything to do with money"?

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Mal
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We live completely under the system of monetary supremacy. There is absolutely nothing you can do in a world of commerce without it having anything to do with money.

For instance , just sitting in the park, reading a book in a library, waving hello to someone. Just you pay for all that. You are always in debt.