Meowism is as true as science

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Meowism is religion of God Meowbah.


Science is observations.


this debate doesnt say Meowism is true, but that it is as true as science, so if science isnt true and Meowism isnt true, then they are equally true and topic is proved.


true means something being completely proved by reason.

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Here I will argue that Meowism is a scientifically accurate religion in a sense that it is equally true as science, so if science isnt true, then Meowism isnt either, and both science and Meowism are equally scientifically accurate and equally scientifically true as well.


Is science true?


Science is observations. However, the problem with science is that it uses observations to prove observations, in other words, it uses circular logic.


You cannot prove observations with non-observations, and proving observations using observations is circular logic.


So if science uses circular logic to prove observations, then Meowism using circular logic to prove Meowbah God is equally true, both science and Meowbah God are proved in same way, by way of circular logic.


So my opponent now has to explain how are observations proved without observations. So my opponent now must either explain observations using observations, or observations using non-observations.


Can non-observations prove observations?


No. Non-observations by definition dont observe anything, and if they dont observe anything, they are not observation of anything, thus no observation is proved by them.


It is not proved that person observes anything. Person cannot prove that person observes anything.


this is not to be confused with existence of logic and definitions, which is a separate issue. Logic and definitions are always one of 3: circular, infinite or unproved.


If you think about it, all claims are made out of words, and all words out of definitions which are further made out of words.


Because of this, all definitions are circular, infinite or unproved. there is no 4th option when each word has to be defined. When each word has to be defined using other word, it is not possible to have a complete system, it is not possible to complete the definitions because in the system there is always some word which is undefined or defined with circular definition.


Because of this, all definitions are flawed, in other words, undefined, and thus all words are equally undefined and flawed. this means that science which depends on use of definitions fails because definitions fail.


then consider the logic and reasoning. In logic and reasoning, each claim requires a reason in order to be true. But each reason is also a claim which needs a reason for it to be true. this results in circular reasoning or unproved reasoning, because for each reason, a new claim is made which needs another reason.


From this, we see that person doesnt actually have any way of proving observations true, and due to this, person can never prove science of observations.


If two things cannot be proved true, then two things are equally true.


So observations, even if consistent, cannot be proved true and not a simulation.


Many people will say "theists are using Bible to prove Bible".


But many people use things outside Bible to prove things outside Bible, which is same circular logic because you eventually run out of reasons for every reason.


You cannot have reason for every reason, and reason why every reason is a reason.


Using logic to prove logic is likewise circular logic, which is logical fallacy which can be used to prove Meowbah.

So we are saying that the definition of science is observations. If science is simply observations, then science is 100% true. Meowism has no truth in it at all (as far as I know).


Science uses hypotheses, experimentation, and falsifiability. Science never claims not be absolute truth. Science doesn't necessarily use observations to prove observations. Science also uses evidence to back up its claims, which Meowism cannot do (unless I'm missing something).


Pro claims that all definitions are circular or unproven but fails to recognize the function of definitions. Definitions in science and logic can be very precise and clear.


Pro's assertion that if two things cannot be proved true, then they are equally true is a false equivalence. Just because both concepts might be labeled as "unprovable" does not mean they hold equal weight or merit in discussion. Scientific theories are more testable and subject to revision than "metaphysical" claims like those of Meowism.


Science is more true than Meowism because it is based on some truth. Even though I will admit there are many so-called scientific theories that have no evidence or bad reasoning, they are at least based on consistent logic. They just argue from a false premise, but from this false premise the logic is very consistent.

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Okay, thats a bad vote.

Criterion Pro Tie Con
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Pro begins by arguing that truth is defined by its ability to be known.
And that science uses observations which uses other observations to support its claim. But that observations cannot be proven by non-observations, which therefore makes science unknowable. And if there is no evidence or proof for Meowism, that also makes it unknowable. Which means that Meowism is as true as science.

Con argues that these comparisons are a false equivalence fallacy, and that science uses advanced methods of testing to substantiate the claims it makes. And that science has never claimed to be infallible. And thus while it can be prone to mistake, science demonstrates a higher level of accuracy while meowism has not shown any.
Con breaks a part Pro's arguments and definitions with relative ease, and shows that science uses more reliable means of testing than the religion of meowism.