Does the scripture teach Father God being the son of God at the same time?

Does the scripture teach Father God being the son of God at the same time?

Yes .

This will be a belly full lesson we're going to open up in this topic.

Scripture says according to as it is written. Not suggested or interpreted.

So nobody can say honestly I'm taking my subjective read on things.

These scriptures are going to say my points verbatim and thus teach the affirmative of the topic question.

Scripture says on him as the scripture have said.

So what does the scripture say about God the Father?

Here's what it says in 2 Corinthians 5:19

"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself".

This doesn't mean all people where it says " world " because all people don't have peace with God. Lord have mercy Lord.

Ok just putting that out there.

God was in Christ. So God was with the son of God. We can't say that he wasn't and be telling the truth according to 2 Corinthians 5. So this is at the same time while God is in heaven.

The Son is with God at the same time, the son of man is in heaven, in God , etc .

Not only is the holy Spirit in the son but what else did the scripture say about the spirit?

1 Timothy 3:16

" And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh"

So the spirit was not only in the flesh but was manifest.

See, here's the breakdown and the scripture gives it. The scriptures says "Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself".

Alright so in Christ, the Father was yet to be revealed still.

See, because Phillip asked or said show us the Father.

But the FATHER was in Christ. The Father in him, HE doeth the works.

But the holy Father God or the holy Spirit in Christ doesn't necessarily mean the Father is revealed.

So the Father also had to manifest. The Father or GOD was manifest.

This...is....great...is ....the .... mystery....of... Godliness...as Timothy said.

Otherwise Philip wouldn't be in mystery still asking, show us the Father.

He been with Jesus..... all that time.....and still in mystery.....still does not know.

That's how great is was .

So thus far....we have scriptures that teach the spirit was there in Christ as well as manifest in the flesh of Christ.

It wasn't just the spirit there but also manifestation was there .

So we have the spirit of God and the manifest of God .

We the spirit of the Father ......and the manifest....of God.

Now I believe we understand what the spirit consists of... I'm not going to teach much into that .

The spirit is invisible as the scripture teaches and has immortality dwelling in the light which no man has SEEN.

So how can you see the Father?

It's by manifest .

What does manifest consist of?

It was by the revealing of the flesh and blood that the manifest is.

Jesus said for flesh and blood have not REVEALED it.

So flesh reveals and flesh manifests.

Simon told Jesus he was the son of the living God .

So while being the son , flesh and blood which is manifestation, is manifesting the Father at the same time.

I referenced two witnesses and quoted from others.

Scripture says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every word be established.

I don't need to machine gun this presentation because I'm trying to make this as plain as possible.

I hear other people in debates just rattling off where the people can't even follow well or keep up.

The revelation is in the two natures. There is no doctrine taught by the apostles, by Jesus, by the prophets and of course not by God, that there are two persons.

God never taught anywhere that he was a person and that the son of God was another person or the second person.

We can't read second person or third person anywhere in scripture. But the "persons" doctrine is a way that seems right. It makes the scripture understandable unto one's OWN understanding.

The scriptures teach two natures.

When Jesus in the flesh(flesh nature) said destroy this temple and in three days I(spirit nature) will raise it up.

When Jesus basically said he would pray the Father another comforter, then says he will send the comforter, Jesus in the flesh (one nature - God manifest ) said I(spirit of God - another nature) .

Two natures.

Scripture says For verily he took not on him the nature of angels.

So whatever flesh and blood is, angels are not like the flesh which the flesh is not spirit which the corruptible cannot be or inherit the incorruptible.

So in all these scriptures, you have flesh or spirit or as Jesus said basically the spirit (Father) and him(flesh) are one.

Flesh, the non nature of angels and spirit, the nature of angels.

He didn't even say they're two persons.

So I'll yield there and open the floor up for non rhetorical questions and we can take the yoke and learn of Jesus.

"You just proved the Trinity. There must be two persons because a person cannot be in himself or be his own son."

I don't see where Jesus or any of the apostles taught two or three persons. Where did Jesus say he was one person and God was another?

"You can't, but we can see His Son, which isn't different. It's still seeing God."

You say you can't as in you can't see the Father. Well who's lying? Is it you or Jesus?

Jesus said when you see him you see the Father.

"You separate Jesus' nature into two persons."

But what did I say? Did I say two natures or two persons?

Did I mention the nature of angels like the Bible say or did I say person of angels?

"God the Son is not God the Father. God talks to His Son (Psalm 2:7, Mark 1:1, Luke 3:22, Acts 13:33, Hebrews 1:5 & 5:5). Jesus never says He is the Father. You views are completely unbiblical."

Jesus never says he's God. Does that mean he's not God?

Did the apostles ever teach God the son anywhere in Scripture? If so, get that scripture for us or concede that is private interpretation.

"Jesus says self-glory is nothing, which means the Father cannot be Jesus since the Father glorifies Jesus."

If you believe Jesus is God, you're double talking.

The apostles never taught two Gods and never taught the one God was not the Father.

Paul taught there is one God the Father. That's it . Period. Paul never taught all this flip flopping with persons so where did you get this from?

Why is it unacceptable that the one God is the Father ?

Why are you teaching God is not the Father here but Father over there?

Is not the Father everlasting?

This is the issue with going against the Apostle's doctrine and it is a curse according to it.

"You think the Father is asking Himself to send Himself. Complete nonsense."

It is complete nonsense to them that have eyes and cannot see. Scripture teaches it takes the spirit, God, to show the deep things of God.

The preaching of the cross is foolishness to them that have no understanding of God who LAID DOWN HIS LIFE, looked upon HIM WHOM they have pierced . The one that was dead but is now alive. The alpha, the omega, the beginning, the ending, the first , the last , glory and honor to the only ONLY wise God AND SAVIOR that has dominion and POWER .....OHHH let me stopppp..... I'm preaching now.

But we have all this lined up scripture, if you don't get it, it is hidden to you and those that are lost.

It's like all that explanation I gave about the natures, NOT PERSONS because we know we can't read that , we read the nature of angels, it's like all that explanation just fell on deaf ears. Having ears and hear not .

I keep saying God took on the non nature of angels.

So any time you're reading about Jesus in the FLESH speaking in the FLESH , that IS A NON NATURE OF ANGELS.

ARE YOU GETTING THIS?

Stop adding to the Apostle's doctrine with the words " persons " and go by what the book of hebrews says.

It's not different "persons" like some man or men invented as a doctrine of man or men.

You need taught my friend in all sincerity.

"How is Jesus at the right hand of God if the Father is the Son?"

That's because right hand means glorious and power. Thy right hand, O Lord, is become glorious in power

Scripture says Thy right hand, O LORD, is glorious in power. Thy right hand, O Lord, is become glorious in power

Matthew another apostle, written in that book, it taught , all power has been given unto Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ has all power which how could he have all power if the Father is the Almighty?

There would be none left for the Father .

All right hand refers to is the power of the Father because the hand or arm of the LORD is the hand or arm of the Father.

You don't want to go into this subject. You already having enough trouble with proving the apostles uttered the words "persons" anywhere in scripture.

"If He never says he's God, why do you think He is the Father then?

Also, Jesus does claim to be God but not the Father."

Stop ducking my question. Answer my question first. Answer mine then I'll answer yours.

Scripture says decently and in order.

My question was first in the order.

Jesus never said the words "I am God". Does .....this ..mean.... he is not God?

Stop displaying yourself a fool.

Just answer yes or no to the question.

I'm not responding to your repetitive points that does nothing to counter my actual counterpoints.

"The Son is called God. Jesus is called the Son of God multiple times."

Get scripture that says the exact words "God the son" or admit you were taught or learned the phrase "God the son".

I got EXACT SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS "GOD THE FATHER".

Now get scripture that you haven't got yet that says "God the son" and stop playing dumb.

"I listen to the Church, not some random person on the internet or what my mind thinks."

Why is Jesus Lord if you're not going to listen to what he says?

The church is your Lord and you got no scripture to say listen to the church.

See you believe in receiving from man along with the bible. You're one of those, right.

But this is a scriptural topic so anything you get from a man from whatever so called church you're talking about is invalid in this topic.

You either get scripture to back up your point or you forfeit.

Scripture says received not of man but revelation from Christ. You supposed to receive this of Christ through whatever God called God sent man of God , a single preacher or preachers. Not a blanket church. Not everyone in the church is a preacher.

Are all preachers? No . Are all apt teach? No. Do all have the same gift of tongues? No.

All scripture inspired by God , not by the church.

I see you're repeating your rehearsed talking points. Go back to whoever taught you, show the person these objections I'm raising and get the answers that appear to help you.

"If He never says he's God, why do you think He is the Father then?

Also, Jesus does claim to be God but not the Father.

When being tempted by the devil, He said:

"It is written again: Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." (Matthew 4:7)

He called Himself God:

"Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am" (John 8:58)

I am means Yahweh, God."

He never said "I am God".

So you can deflect like you normally do and be dishonest instead of admitting he never said the words "I am God".

So the point of him never saying he was Father God falls on the same line because he never said "I am Father God" nor "God" who is the Father.

By the way before Abraham was, the Father was " I am" .

The bible does not teach the Father is separate from God. You and any other trinitarian teaches that.

The bible does not teach this is God but not God the Father.

The Father said I AM . So where do we get another God that is not Father out of "I AM"?

WE DON'T.

The bible says there is NO GOD BESIDES ME.

The trinitarian doctrine tries to explain scriptures in the new testament that are great is the mystery of godliness but can't account for scriptures in the old testament that refutes the doctrine.

"I am means Yahweh, God."

Get scripture that says what it means. Not taking what you say. Scripture says let your words be few so speak as the oracles of God.

"One passage:

"But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom" (Hebrews 1:8)

The Son is called God. Jesus is called the Son of God multiple times.

I listen to the Church, not some random person on the internet or what my mind thinks."

Thanks. The son is called God , not God the son.

I accept your concession on that. If the book don't say "God the son", you don't make it up saying it does.

Scripture says God the Father. It doesn't say God the son .

Scripture doesn't say have we all one son, have not one God created us?

Where in Scripture does it say listen to the church?

Jesus said Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word . He didn't say whoever hears or listens from the church.

Where did you get "listening to the church from" because it's certainly not scripture, do you believe in "church fathers" along with the scriptures as inspired doctrine?

"You forgot the second part. He said one God and one Lord.

" "Yet to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him" (1 Corinthians 8:6)

Where else is "one Lord" used?

"Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord" (Deuteronomy 6:4)

It affirms two divine persons by giving them each different titles that are fully divine." "

HE NEVER SAID PERSONS SO WHERE DID YOU GET "PERSONS" FROM ?

"Jesus is the Son and is called one Lord? The Son is God, therefore He's God the Son."

The bible say be prepared to give an answer.

I ask again ....

Why is it unacceptable that the one God is the Father ?

"You need good definitions of Father and everlasting. Jesus can be our father but not necessarily God the Father. Saying the Son is everlasting doesn't mean the Father isn't."

I'll just make this easy.

If you don't say "yea" to this.....the bible say let God be true and every man a liar.

Is there only one God Almighty and is he the Father?

"He claims that when Jesus says "myself" He means his body and when He says "Father" He means his divinity. Pro has separated Jesus into two persons. "Myself" refers to a person. You would never call your body "myself" but your soul another person. Fatherhood refers to personhood, not substance. You never say your father is just the father of your body but you (a person).

Pro arrived out Nestorian differently than Nestorius. Nestorius denied Mary was the Mother of God, but pro denies God was the Father of God."

The opposite side is rejecting Jesus in the flesh. If you are actually a believer in the scriptures, you're a posing hypocrite.

The book says "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God."

Proving that man made doctrine such as trinitarian doctrine, has giving these folks the spirit of antichrist.

See I give book to explain and prove my points. The opposite side uses the church and man made input which is why many things the opposite side says was not shown in scripture at all .

Just like I'm about to show you now that these scriptures are teaching Jesus which was in the flesh teaching about his Father which is spirit. Jesus wasn't teaching he was one person and the Father is the first person or whatever ranking these trinitarians like to make up.

I'm going from debating mode to teaching mode, let's go.

John 8 and verse 2.

"2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them."

What sat down exactly if it wasn't flesh?

See, here's where you tell the truth or be a liar.

"20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come."

Laid hands on him....whattt??? ....laid hands on him.....land hands on him.

What on him could a man lay hands on?

Jesus said handle me for a spirit have not FLESH and bones.

So we know flesh is abled to be handled people..

"22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come."

The Jews asked will he KILL himself?

Now ....what do the Jews know?

They know that FLESH.....can be killed. Can be dead , can die.

The scripture says put to DEATH in the FLESH.

Let's read some more.

"29 And he that sent me is with me"

Jesus said " he that seeth me seeth him that sent me".

Did they which see him see FLESH?

The FLESH to whom the arm of the Lord was revealed that they could not CONFESS the report of he that is come in the flesh because of the Pharisees, that should not SEE the miracles before them done in the FLESH ?

Is all this bible?

Did I really have to itemize all this for the opposing side to believe what this report said of Jesus being in flesh?

The eyes of the opposing side are blinded and the heart thereof is that hardened, that instead of saying amen, Jesus was in the flesh in John 8 speaking of his Father, like the folks that could not CONFESS he was in the flesh or has come in the flesh because of men, the praise is so much to men rather than God who sent him in the flesh made of a woman, not a SO CALLED SECOND PERSON, the opposing side did not say "yes he was in the flesh, so we have flesh and spirit, that's all it's teaching".

We have flesh and spirit......flesh and spirit............flesh and spirit........flesh and spirit.

I broke down the book of John that teaches Jesus in flesh and the Father which is spirit.

A private interpretation, a private one....creates a doctrine of two persons and we can't even read that.

Why should we believe something we can't read?

Scripture says who have believed our report?

Where's the report?

Written in Isaiah, written about in John.

Reading on in John 8

"37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you."

"kill me".......put to DEATH IN THE FLESH......" kill me "

.....put to DEATH IN THE FLESH......" kill me "

.....put to DEATH IN THE FLESH......" kill me "

Jesus didn't say they couldn't kill him because as long as HE..... lays it down.....lays it down from the sheep....all this because he was flesh. Flesh..... flesh.

"40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham."

A MAN........A MAN.....Jesus said "me, a man".

"51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death"

If a man keeps his saying he shall not or never SEE DEATH.

BUT CHRIST......WAS PUT TO DEATH IN FLESH.

SO HE, A MAN....WAS FLESH....IN John 8.

Scripture teach you can do nothing against the truth but say amen. Even if you're in a debate, you can be humble and say amen to the truth.

Scripture says flesh of men.

The opposite side is not breaking scriptures down. Quoting verses and running with whatever seminary lesson was taught, instead the opposite side is not showing any of the explanations from scripture at all .

We have Jesus in the flesh son of man referring to himself speaking of his spirit, Spirit of Christ the comforter that will soon be with them. See I'm lining it all up because the scripture is not broken...the helper will soon be with them after Christ departs.

No longer God with them in the flesh but in spirit.

Spirit and flesh , Father and son, spirit and flesh, Spirit and son. Where are we reading that these are two persons?

We're not . That language is being added.

I'm leaving it just as is. Father .....God...which is spirit....Jesus ....which is man.... flesh.

Still One God at the end of it and we've got nothing more than that because this God said ....THIS GOD SAID ....THERE IS NONE ELSE.

The opposite side is adding someone else and someone else with God by having MULTIPLE PERSONS AND OR THREE PERSONS.

GOD didn't even say he's God with three persons.

Who else is WITH YOU GOD?

GOD SAID....THERE IS NONE....ELSE.

Now the opposite side ought to say amen to that because that's the truth and scripture says , say amen to God and scripture calls God, God of truth.

I'm finished with John 8.

"So He sits at His own power and glory? If Jesus is the Father, then the Father has His own physical right hand."

It's true what the scripture says. These things you're just not going to understand because you have a natural carnal understanding. An actual atheist understanding.

I just explained the right hand so it really has no bearing on the topic.

You duck the question as well as others which is straight disqualification.

Audience, keep track of the questions and the ones that go unanswered by the opposing side to avoid refutation.

I mentioned about Jesus never saying he's God as your point about him never saying he's Father is moot.

You actually believe there is God but he's not the Father when the scriptures teaches God is the Father. It's a complete contradiction.

You realize when you say God you're saying Father. This is the contradiction trinitarians can't overcome but they exchange the truth of God for a lie.

"Jesus is a person, right? Who gave Jesus the power? Another person, the Father."

You answering your own question. Here's a request that I won't fulfill for you .

Give me scripture that says the Father is another person.

"Well, if you believe it would mean the Father lost power, it's even more problematic for you. Who gave Jesus power? If you believe Jesus is the Father, He gave Himself power but somehow lost it while giving it to Himself.''

Being that the Father is Almighty, but Jesus son of God was given all power, Jesus would be the Almighty himself.

The book of revelation teaches this.

Titus 2 says "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ".

There IS NO SAVIOUR BESIDES GOD AND GOD IS THE FATHER.

The opposite side has not shown one time anywhere God the Creator is NOT THE FATHER.

Just making that clear because the bible condemns that .

"Clearly shows one divine person doesn't judge while another does. This is not some body-divinity distinction that a Nestorian modalist would make."

Why can't we read "one divine person" instead of "clearly shows"?

"What about this?:

"For, what I have pardoned, if I have pardoned any thing, for your sakes have I done it in the person of Christ" (2 Corinthians 2:10, emphasis added)"

"Person" of Christ. Didn't say "persons". You killed your own point.

Like I said. The apostles never said persons. I don't know why you're saying it.

"Plus, "let us" in Genesis 1:26, 2:18, 11:7. "Us" means more than one person."

I'm not arguing WHAT YOU MEAN by "us".

Point is , what does the scripture say it means.

Since you have nothing to refute me , I'll go into a lesson on this to help you.

Genesis 1:26 say "And God said, Let us make man in our image"

More than one, right, when talking about "us".

Just like where scripture says "let US go up.....unto the house of the God of Jacob".

Scripture says the words ....many shall go and say. So "us" is not one.

But verse 27 is talking about one God.

"27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

It says "he"....."he"...."he".

We know "he" is singular or one because the scripture say have not ONE GOD CREATED US.

There's the word "us" again. But "us" here is referring to male and female.

But we have understanding that there's male and female. But we only have "he" when it comes to God so why is there an "us" .... I'll tell you why .

God said there is none else so it appears as a contradiction.

To clear up what appears to be conflict, people add to the bible trying to acknowledge someone else that even God doesn't acknowledge.

HE the Lord HE is God said there is NONE ELSE.

But there's an "us" a "many" concerning creation but yet one God that is he the Lord.....that is the Father.

This is where revelation comes in. We don't have to add but receive the revelation of Christ.

Scriptures says in..." Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints"

Manifesting is revealing .

What was revealed in Hebrews 11

"3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear"

Does the opposing side believe ? Does the opposing side have faith in the scriptures teaching that the WORD framed the worlds?

By the word of God , HE (SINGULAR).... HE SAID (PLURAL) made everything of the world by making the world.

His word, he said let there be ....and it was so. God spoke, Him and his word , the

" US", God said.....then he created.

Do we follow?

God , the spirit that moved upon the face of the waters....said his word.....from his word....it was so.

We're not adding"persons"...... we're not adding"personalities "..... we're not adding"modes".... we're not adding"God but not the Father ".

We reading just what the scriptures say. In the beginning was the WORD .

The word that God said and it was so . That's it. We can read this ....we don't have to add nor take away.

In the beginning the heaven/s and the earth was created. This earth is the world framed by the word in the beginning from verse one onto subsequent verses in Genesis chapter one .

We can conclude the debate and finish the remaining rounds for Q and A on Genesis 1:26.

I'm done.

"In every debate you demand exact proof and forbid "adding" to the text. You have gone beyond what is written.

Also, what hints are there that Jesus is the Father? There are only hints that He is not the Father."

I'm asking you a yes or no question as the Bible says let your communication be yea, yea ; nay nay.

It's just evil, just wrong, just fallacious with anything else .

If you don't answer yes or no, you concede that your point is fallacious.

Answer yes or no. "Jesus never said the words "I am God". Does .....this ..mean.... he is not God?

"Why do I need exact scripture? You admitted Jesus never says He is God. You are picking and choosing when exact scripture is needed. You don't actually follow your rules. You just use your rules to put your opponents into corners that you yourself cannot get out of."

Just like I thought. You don't have any scripture for a SCRIPTURAL DEBATE.

"Why do I need exact scripture?"

IT'S A SCRIPTURAL DEBATE.

THE SCRIPTURES HAVE TO SAY WHAT YOUR POINT IS, NOT YOU. IT'S A SCRIPTURAL DEBATE.

"I do listen. Also, how do you know what Jesus is saying? People have debates about what Jesus meant all the times. No one said it was easy to determine what Jesus meant."

Yes.

So being that Jesus never said God is three persons but a spirit, are you going to listen to what he said that God is a spirit, repent and stop saying three persons?

Just stick with what Jesus SAID EXACTLY and not worry about determining anything.

So being that Jesus never said God is three persons but a spirit, are you going to listen to what he said that God is a spirit, repent and stop saying three persons?

"A complete lie.

Obey your leaders and submit to them... Hebrews 13:17

Where there is no guidance, a people falls; but in an abundance of counselors there is safety. Proverbs 11:14

So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers... Ephesians 4:11-12

Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. Ephesians 5:21

For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them. Matthew 18:20

The strongest is probably in Matthew 18:16-20: "But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them." "

You just make total shipwreck of scriptures. I mean really.

Show me in any of these where you find the words "listen to the church".

We're talking about obedience, not hearing out witnesses.

Scripture say we ought TO OBEY God rather than men.

"The Bible tells us to listen to the Church. Also, I am very sure you deny the Church has any power of binding and loosing.

And enough saying the Church is my lord. It's the classic example of accusing someone of idolatry when they support something. I could just as easily accuse your of worshipping the Bible."

Do you listen to the Lord or the church ?

See...... because THE LORD SAID......WHY DO YOU CALL ME LORD...AND NOT DO WHAT I SAY?

So if the people of a church organization , not THE church but an organization called such don't do what the TRUE LORD SAYS....who are you going to listen to and obey and submit to?

You don't understand about submission. It's all in the LORD because you have ONE , NOT THREE PERSONS, ONE LORD.

Scripture says they that are LED.....BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD....are the sons of God.

So when you submit to leaders, is it because you are following your LEADER LORD GOD OR ...... following leaders OVER GOD OR RATHER THAN GOD?

"2 Thessalonians 2:15: "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter."

The Bible is clear there is Scripture and Tradition."

You get scripture with no understanding and has nothing to do with what I said.

That's why you didn't bother breaking this down. When you say the bible is clear, it's clear to your personal interpretation.

No where in that verse said "hold to the traditions by or from MAN".

Notice what it says. It said "which you were taught by us".

TAUGHT WHAT?

See how you just throw scripture out there and you mishandle it. You got to properly handle rightly divide the word of truth.

That context is dealing with the gospel given to the apostles by GOD HIMSELF CHRIST, NOT JUST ANY MAN.

"Stop forcing your tradition of men onto this debate. The Bible supports the Church, so it doesn't matter anyway. Why make a biblical debate have a rule that the Bible does not give us?"

Stop arguing with this . I'm not going to and don't have to justify rules of my topics. If you don't wish to cooperate, stop accepting biblical topics from me. Plain and simple. You never prove anything with bible anyhow. You need to be taught.

"Trinitarians believe in one God. Stop just accusing them of polytheism by just asserting it without any reasoning."

Right, one God. No more adding to the bible saying God is three persons. You know full well that's not written anywhere but in your trinitarian's bible son.

"But you yourself have admitted the Bible never says Jesus is God. Enough with the double standard."

At least I can admit that. You have not admitted what you say is not in there. Plus I never said the bible says what you can't read in there. You got a lot of understanding to get in the scriptures. I mean a whole lot.

"The reason the Bible does not say that is because the Son is Son in relation to the Father, not to us. Jesus can be considered our father but He is the Son of God."

You have no bible that says ALL OF THIS WHAT YOU JUST SAID. This is my point over and over. You do much explanation from what you think instead of book chapter and verse to do the explaining. You said "considered". This topic is bible based , not consideration based.

My friend, if you just want an opinionated discussion on what you think about the scripture, do not accept these topics.

"They are not inspired but they are assisted by the Spirit. Jesus said He is with us always. He didn't just give us a Bible and leave us alone to figure it out on our own."

My friend, you don't even demonstrate you have the correct understanding of what the holy scriptures are.

"Enough with the double standard. We both agree scripture doesn't need to be exact all the time. We can have the concept, and sometimes that is fine enough."

Right, the scriptures don't say "persons" anywhere, you and the church fathers made it up. A way that seems right unto y'all.

"Because the Bible mentions the Son and the Spirit who are not the Father."

But the bible says one God the Father. The scriptures teach God is spirit. So you just errored saying that Father God is not the spirit. This is the issue with your man made trinitarian doctrine. It's a man made doctrine. Otherwise it wouldn't contradict the scripture.

"One God, three persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

And enough saying I deny the incarnation. You deny it. You believe Jesus' flesh is from heaven.

Also, since God uses singular and plural pronouns for Himself, my view is better. The Trinity affirms both the oneness and the plurality in God. Your oneness theology can only explain the singularness and completely overlooks verses that mention plurality in God."

Get rid of your view and what is better but get the biblical view .There's no such thing as oneness . It's either one God or it's not. What does the bible say?

One God.

If you can't say yes to this question, you deny scripture.

"Is there only one God Almighty and is he the Father?"

That's a yes according to scripture.

According to scripture, Paul said there is one God the Father. He didn't say one God three persons. You are adding "three persons". You are adding to the bible. The bible teaches not to add .

Titus 2 says ... looking for that blessed hope and glorious appearing of the great God . Not great God, three persons.

Revelation which will teach you who Jesus is and was and is by the way...says this .." I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty"

It said "Almighty" because it's only one God. So it's one Almighty.

So I'll open it up for your questions for the remaining rounds. I think we've exhausted everything here. Any circular points won't be addressed as the points were addressed here. Scripture speaks of fruitless contention.

So that's where it's at .

Case closed.