If transgenderism is allowed, transracism should be too.

Why should I believe someone when they say they are a woman, when they biologically are a male? Well, because her gender identity tells her she is a woman. Her only male side is her sex, not her gender. When you say they are "not a woman," you are not referring to the same thing. You are referring to sex, not gender.

This is the argument that most advocates of transgenderism will use.

Question: But what even is gender?

Answer: It is a neurological phenomenon that makes them feel like male or female or something else.

Question: But how do you "feel like" a male or a female?

Answer: Cultural norms that define masculinity and femininity can cause a person to perceive themselves within a particular set of those ideas.

So this is the established system now, and this is the logic by which it is justified. Where else can we use this logic?

If a man identifies as a woman, is that valid? Well, let me ask you this: If a white man identifies as black, is that valid? Is there anything that might make one valid but the other not?

But Tickbeat! They are not black, so they cannot call themselves black! But what if I say, "When you say they are 'not black,' you are not referring to the same thing. You are referring to biological race, not neurological race."? This is the exact same logic but used for race instead of gender.

You know from the description what the definitions of these terms are. In the same way that you can claim that gender and sex are not the same thing, for one is neurological and the other is biological, you can also claim that neurological race and biological race are not the same thing. And if you say that someone is "not black," you are referring to their biological race, however they identify as black. Or rather, if you say that someone is "not a woman," you are referring to their sex, however they identify as a woman. That's the connection.

Question: But what even is neurological race?

Answer: It is a neurological phenomenon that makes them feel like black or white or something else.

Question: But how do you "feel like" you are black or white?

Answer: Cultural norms that define black culture and white culture can cause a person to perceive themselves within a particular set of those ideas.

When a person identifies as a different gender from their sex, they are told that (when they are 18), they can mutilate themselves through surgery in order to align their physical form to their gender as much as they can. If this logic is exactly the same, then this hypothetical man should be told that (when they are 18), he can tattoo his body all over to make it look brown to align his physical skin to his neurological race as much as he can.

Yet when you ask supporters of transgenderism whether they would support transracism, they most likely will say no, and upon bringing this up, the response may simply be to propose that they are not the same thing.

Really now? Are they really not the same thing? For as sound this logic is, I would be intrigued to find out once and for all how these are fundamentally not the same thing in a crucial point of foundational logic.

Conclusion: The very logic that approves of transgenderism also supports transracism. If you support transgenderism and do not support transracism, you may be logically inconsistent. But by all means, show me how I am wrong.

Hello phantombride, and thank you for accepting the debate.

Con has taken the position that transracism can be okay in specific contexts. What are these contexts? Well, if someone grows up in the right environment, then they can be transrace.

So, what about transgender people? Are they only allowed to be transgender if they grow up in specific contexts? Let's say that a boy grows up in a family with 10 sisters, and predominantly females in his nearby family tree and in his cousins. Therefore, the environment he grows up in is predominantly girly, just as the environment the black boy grew up in was predominantly white-cultured.

Using this logic, it is okay for this boy to become a girl if he wanted. But if he grew up in a predominantly male environment, then it would not be okay. I've never heard anyone on earth use this logic, so I cannot fathom how it could apply to transracism.

"But Tickbeat," you may ask, "perhaps that is the point. By stating that you can only be transrace in specific contexts but you can always be transgender in all contexts, he is saying that they are not approved by the same logic! That's what you wanted."

Maybe so. But consider the logic: if they grow up in the right environment. Or, to use con's own words, it depends on the "context of growth." This logic is universal, so it can be applied to both race and gender. Con has not yet explained why this logic can apply to race but not gender. Unless they believe that this logic also applies to gender, in which case they have not served their purpose as con in this debate.

It is also worth noting that when transgender people turn 18, they are allowed to mutilate themselves in order to make their physical form as close as possible to their gender (which beats the whole purpose of gender being different from sex). So, can transrace people tattoo their entire body to make their skin appear a different color?

Conclusion: Although con has differentiated between transgenderism and transracism, they have not justified it, nor have they explained how their logic applies to transrace people but not transgender people. I am not satisfied with this explanation, so hopefully these things can be addressed in the following round.

Con is busy, and said that we could start this debate up again in a few weeks. I will therefore accelerate the end of this debate as much as possible, and then start up a new one later.

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