I shift the burden of proof to my opponent.
I shift it back.
Anyway, if girl is obedient, then man will like her more.
Possibly.
Man has wants, and being obedient to those wants keeps marriage and relationship more stable.
Sometimes.
Most divorces are by women, which hurts family and kids.
This doesn't make those women entirely responsible for those divorces. While most divorces are my women, most abuse is by men.
So when choosing between being obedient and being disobedient, girl should probably choose to be obedient and do as she is told, or she risks marriage and relationship.
That's slightly different wording. Now, you imply that there are exceptions where disobedience can actually be warranted. You mention that the marriage and relationship are risked, but is every relationship good? If not (the obvious answer), then it seems like women should not necessarily be obligated to maintain them.
My opponent might say some dumb shit like "what if man wants something bad or is abusive", but reality is, it's not woman's job to think and judge that.
Why not? Why isn't a woman permitted to think about their own abuse? Either way, this doesn't actually acknowledge that objection. You still haven't addressed what should happen in that scenario, so perhaps you think it doesn't matter if a man wants something bad or is abusive.
Also, if she wants another man, she would still have to do as she is told, or else man will leave her. So while she gets the choice of which man to obey, she still must obey to be valuable partner. So she can choose non-abusive man, but still must be obedient to him.
That doesn't work with what you've been saying. You've said women need to obey men, and you mentioned divorce as something to avoid. But, you think that they choose any man they want (implying that this is while they are in a relationship), meaning that they don't actually have to obey them if they simply want someone else at that moment. While probably less absurd than saying women absolutely need to obey, it is still self-contradictory. Also, not all people are initially abusive, and it can be impossible to tell if they eventually will be. So, it's not anyone's duty to definitely not choose an abusive partner, even if some people are clearly abusive or have clear signs of being abusive. Rather, I would say people are more obligated to not abuse others.
Because relationships are about wants, to have a successful relationship, one must be obedient to wants of another.
Would you really apply this consistently? That would mean men also need to be obedient to the wants of women. However, the obvious issue is that they will not always want the same thing. In this case, your position provides no obvious progress if applied consistently.
I will get back onto topic. The topic is "Woman needs to be obedient to her man."
But, in this very debate, you implied that there could be exceptions. So, the topic will likely best shift to whether women typically need to be obedient. The word "need" in this case seems to imply normativity rather than actual necessity. So, the only way I can coherently reconstruct the topic so that you don't automatically lose is "women should typically be obedient to men they are in a relationship with". However, even this is insufficient. In your last point, you mentioned that in a relationship people should obey the wants of each other. However, there are often contradictions. You might say that the man's wants need to override the woman's, but you didn't provide a reason why or even make that claim, so I'll assume that you're unable to back that up. You have not shown whether men's wants typically do contradict or typically do not contradict with the wants of women or with bad or abusive things, so you have not definitively shown anything similar to the topic or my reconstruction.
But, I want to also emphasize what I see as an issue in the framing of this. You say that it is essentially the duty of a woman to obey what the man says. But, if we imagine that this what actually happened, as you might like, we wouldn't just see more stable relationships, we may see some men demanding more and more from these women given that they are expected to or typically do conform to their demands. So, you expect obedience from women, but it doesn't seem that you want men to have reasonable and non-abusive wants. I can acknowledge that relationships where no one does anything for the other are likely no good while still believing that your position leads to self-contradiction or intensified abuse of women rather than harmonious relationships.
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