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Is atheism as logical with evidence as theism and do both positions require evidence to stand?
Yes of course.
Why?
I was communicating with an " atheist" a short time ago who said he or she was an "agnostic atheist" or was a "theist" I believe.
I asked the person questions and had to alternate or ask questions in various ways in order to keep it conversational.
My position is agnosticism is more rational than atheism.
To keep it short and basic, the person waffled on what the person believes.
At first rejecting the belief in no gods of theism.
Then I asked the person about believing illogical things not existing.
The person went passed that in not saying "not existing" but so far as to confidently say "illogical things cannot exist".
Then double downed with communicating the gods of theism are illogical, thus believing the gods of theism "cannot exist" indicating impossibility without proof as an absolute statement....... without absolute knowledge.
The person did basically say there was uncertainty of what is illogical and logical.
So a lot of muddled incoherent talking points.
With that aside, I want to highlight the person believes this about the gods of theism WITHOUT EVIDENCE. But yet requires evidence to believe these gods do exist.
Very short-sighted from the atheist's point of view.
Atheism, to believe that these gods don't exist, in the same way, evidence is looked for from theists that posit a claim as fact, same goes to the atheist that posits.
Being that atheism is effectively a religion or belief system, it takes the belief regardless of evidence existing or not.
In regards to the person I interacted with, I believe the person swayed from theist to agnostic to agnostic atheist.
Now the question I asked I think repeatedly, why not just stop at agnosticism?
Couldn't get an answer.
As time goes on like a theist, people tack on a belief system directly that indirectly denies or rejects or lacks another in order to constitute the other.
Atheism ultimately is not the default position. People are swayed into atheism and theism not so much on what is thought to be evidence or thought to be none at all . When somebody says there is no evidence, more than likely, that person means to him or herself. Otherwise that person will be charged with holding an absolute claim to a fact . The person would be making matter of fact statements that can't even be supported.
It's one thing to say the gods of theism don't exist with no evidence to support that. It's another to actually believe they don't, which atheists do..... without evidence.
Upon interacting with the so called agnostic atheist, it was revealed why the person believed these gods didn't exist. It wasn't so much the weak basis of the lack of evidence to that person. Outstandingly weak basis.
The person's worldview is a belief system as an atheist, the person's belief was illogical things CANNOT exist. Burden of proof statement with the "cannot".
After ceasing in rejecting the belief of illogical things not existing, admitting from the person's position, that these gods are illogical, the worldview of believing only .......only logical things exist, anything that doesn't conform to that cannot, not possibly not but cannot exist. This is due to the belief system in this and on top of this, the person continued to muddle the points by also saying basically that there's uncertainty in determining the logical and illogical.
Out of all this we're not really talking evidence. Just a muddling of faith systems and straddling with agnosticism.
But that's just one person. I've yet to reach any atheist with evidence to sustain the belief in no gods of theism existing.
Now I'll turn this over to the opposing side for questions on anything I've said.
But yes it is true that all atheists ultimately must prove their matter of fact claims of any god of theism, deism, pantheism, etc. and other systems of spirituality. Not withstanding atheists that never mature in mind or has not a mind whereas any inanimate object would fit the same bill if one defines atheism in such conflation.
I yield.