Hinduism has more downsides than its benefits, and the downsides are so much fatal that it must be removed from India.

Hinduism has many flaws, I would keep it very much precise unlike other debates, so that readers can grasp all arguments fully and take them in account at a single time:-

1. MISOGYNISTIC TEXTS :-

'Manusmriti' a Hindu text, still held in respect of many people. mentions problamatic verses on women. Like a women can't so stuff a male does. Males can marry women from any 'race, class' But women don't have a choice. And a lot of other stuff. But I won't spend my time mentioning that because majority of people have already realized the problems with it. BR Ambedkar, the father of Indian Constitution publicly burnt this and criticized Hinduism for Misogyny and Castism

'Shri RamcharitManas' :- literally every Hindu in India will kill you for blasphemy if you criticize this text in front of them. This is the holiest text of Hindus. But yet, it has many problems. It repeteadly mentions that 'Women are of sinful birth' I am writing everything from my mind, I don't have a source, but I am sure, it was atleast written 1 time in chapter 9, verse was likely 32.

Additional, reflection in Indian Society:-

1. Sati Pratha in hinduism, burning of widow women. Banned by British Government.

2. Women can't get out of Homes in rural India at night, and it's much worse than west

3. Parda Pratha, much like islam, in rural hindu households, women have to cover there faces as a necessity

4. Dowry, still exists in literally EVERY Indian family. Bride's family HAS to gift expensive items like cars, and branded cloths to the Groom's family. And it was essentially a Manusmriti Ritual, which i mentioned at the top. Manusmriti died, but it's teachings are there. It happens everywhere in India, my family is no exception. There's legal ban on it, but it still happens.

5. Modesty is expected from women, a women in a skirt might pose a great cultural threat to a Boomer Uncle in a Short Towel. Everyday Happening. I as a male, have the freedom, to wonder everywhere wearing whatever I want. But Society will direct abuses, if done by a girl.

Counter to Counter Argument:-

Man what's this lag, italic won't turn off. Anyways... ok fine now. So one can argue that it isn't Hinduism but Society that preaches this stuff. So let me welcome you, to the legendary concept of God Man in India, Society DOESN'T impose stuff on women, since the beginning of religion, Pandit Ji, the God Men and defenders of Dharma(Religion) have preached for every stuff mentioned here. They are as big as Hinduism itself and they are an indispensable part to Hinduism. The main book, Gita, Shri MatBhagwat Gita. Says they are necessary and conversly PANDITS HAVE ALL RIGHTS TO INTERPRET GITA !! PANDITS give Gita powers, GITA gives Pandit Powers !! You can't remove this loop without killing the concept of Hinduism, there's no inside vulnerability! I will be talking about more of these Godmen and this concept, otherwise readers will get overwhelmed. But if u don't want to be overwhelmed, I am just trying to say, that Hinduism is the direct cause of Misogyny and State of Women in India, there's no Causation and Correlation fallacy happening here. Hinduism is Directly responsible for it.

To make sure it's organized, I will leave it here. I will be talking about Godmen in next argument. And I will talk about Misogyny's reply from Con in the next argument too. After that I will pause on the Misogyny front, and I for the final argument, I am thinking about scientific temper in Indians....

Your Argument has many fundamental flaws. You aren't a hindu, that's ok. But if you are to defend something then you must, MUST know something about the religion you are going to defend. Alex O Connor said in a Jubilee debate that the Bible commands a Genocide, now how would have it been like if the Con said

"I would personally advocate for a reformation instead of a revolution."

Like bro, I am stating that a book is commanding Human Genocide, I don't need you FEELING of a book that you didn't read. Hitler's Book is Mein Keimf(sorry for the spelling), would you "Personally Advocate for a reformation" there ? It says kill all jews and Hitler is An Equal of Jesus. If you change it to, love all jews and Hitler loves Jesus. Yess buddy, you did "personal reformation" of the text. But earlier version of the book was "Nazi" Ideology, and now you have got a new version of it "Liberal's Personal OPINION". You see what your argument is lacking ? World War 2 didn't happen because of humans, it happened because of Nazi Ideology, which still continues to exist in society. Do you realize that if you reform the Nazi Ideology, then it will no longer be called Nazi Ideology but Liberal Ideology? Same way if you "reform" Hindu practices, they cease to Remain "Hindu". AND Hindus hate it further when you change their religion and still call it Hinduism !! Rakshabandhan is a festival where the Sister ties a thread on the brother's wrist and brother promises her security, some people saw this as sexist culture, and let their children tie a thread on every siblings wrist, and Hindus ABOSULUTELY HATED that. You could have just ceased the practice and the sexism is gone !

"You will need proof that "every Hindu in India will kill you for blasphemy." Such a bold claim"

That's exaggerated, I thought that you will get it atleast. But maybe you should open an India newspaper, it's a 2-3 days old news that a lower castes' girls father's head got opened by a Hindu activist for making marks against Hinduism. Or Buddy if you proof then you have a severe lack of Information, because in India religion is a big thing. It's an environment outside. How can I give you a proof ? Just open any Logical Aayam's video(An Indian Atheist) and see the comments filled with *** @@ ##, maybe that will be enough proof for you. And you might now say next that it's Humans not Hinduism, and that's exactly where you are failing. Hindu texts require children to be raised in such a way that they become like this, they become like this because they are taught to be non tolerant of Blasphemy. You can't remove the Non Tolerance without removing Hinduism itself, and if you do, that's your own personal belief digguised under the blanket of something else. The Concept of "Vak Purshya" doesn't let you change anything too, which says Brahmins will dictate everything. I told you it's a loop, you can't REFORM it with A cycle of Gita and Brahmins.

"Saying women are "of sinful birth" proves nothing. You need to look at what the texts say about men as well" Seriously ? SERIOUSLY?? SERIOUSLY!! Women are of Sinful Birth proves Nothing? Man I can't argue with that. But the context is, the Godmen is saying that lower beings too can get free after birth if they submit themselves to the Godmen. I don't think that the "context" makes it any better, but surely you don't think that it proves anything so... ok...

"The burning of widows was never accepted by all Hindus. Many opposed it." There's a small mistake here, we use he/him when it's a single person, and "many" when there are many. You can't just make up facts as you feel like it and get away with it. You clearly know nothing about Indian History. A single Person Rammohan Roy opposed Sati Pratha and got it banned with the help of White Chirstians(British Government)

"It was LIKELY just done by Indians in general as a" blah blah blah, They LIKELY did similar things to elderly men and the disabled. Blah Blah Blah, Irrelevant British Example... continues Blah Blah Blah.

Blud who in the world here has asked for your fellings ? Ummm... I I feel like... umm they likely umm.. I don't know... ummm.. they did the same to others na.... ummm.... I don't no... I Personally feel like it was likely umm...

STOP COOKING SOME IMAGINARY STUFF AND DEBATING WITH IT. You just made your imaginary world and started ranting about it lol. Who said they did this to the elderly ? Who said you that they did this to the men ? What's your source ? Umm Ahh I I felt like it ? Something like that ? We are debating facts here, you don't even know the S of Sati. It was a practice of burning widows, they were forced to be burnt !! So that they would remain pure !! Who the hell brought Elderly and Men in this argument ?

"Covering faces? Oh come on, that's just a style they like." SERIOUSLY DUDE !

DO YOU SERIOUSLY WANT ME TO WRITE A PARAGRAPH AND EXPLAIN YOU THAT IT'S BAD TO FORCE A WOMEN INTO WEARING SOMETHING ?

They were forced into covering their Faces, don't even try to cook any imaginary story, It was a result of Hinduism. I have already written 10 times with source that you can't REFORM it or can't just say that it's human's doing. It's just HINDU culture !! They are still FORCED to cover their Face in Rural area ! And if you can't yet get your brain cells to think how forcing to cover is oppressive rather then a cultural thing, then I will leave it upto the voter to decide the outcome. I will leave this Covering point here

"Dowry, it's just what you give to be nice. Plus the bride becomes the groom's family. The bride gets stuff too. It's not sexist per se. "

Now I am convinced that you don't know a single thing about Hinduism or Even Indian Culture. You are just expressing your feelings on a culture that you just created in your head. The Father's of Bride had to sell there homes and lands and shops for giving dowry to the groom. Some people still take loans of millions to give it to the groom, including my maid !! Some people pass away with the tension of loan. There's a literal chapter on women empowerment in class 10 English main course CBSE that's about a poor girl whose fiance demanded heavy amounts of dowry when he got to know that The Girl has marks on her face !! And then she rejected him as a sign of women empowerment !! Maybe go and tell her that she was a bad character and she should have let her father sell himself for the dowry ! You don't get the gravity of Indian cultures, here dowry isn't a gift that you simply pull out of your pocket. Father's start collecting money in their banks the day a daughter is born, they literally do "Kanya Daan" I just remembered this necessary ritual of a marriage "The Grains of the Girl's mother's home(maika) are over, now the girl is a property and the responsibility of the Groom" and the necessary Hindu Style Tradition marriages includes more, idk why I refrained from making these points earlier "The Girl must feed all the male members of family before feeding herself, the girl can't get out of the home at night, the girl needs to wake up before the boy for preparing breakfast" And that's a literal ritual, "Phere" search it up before cooking your own story. Seriously I can write 5 more paras, but again I think it's enough for the voter to vote, I don't need to convince you that dowry is a filthy thing.

"Modesty? Come on, it prevent social harm. "

So I am debating that kind of guy who blames the 6 year old r@pe victim for wearing a skirt ? I will leave it here, it's upto the audience's moral senses, that's not something we should be arguing about. Morality is non negotiable for me. I won't fall down to debating fundamental morals.

"I say we feminize Hinduism"

Ohh yeah sure, why not. I fully agree with you. Let's start with dowry, without removing it, or replacing it with some gifts, tell me how do you intend to make it to something that's equal for both ? Girl's Cover face, and it's a necessity. With Coverage of fave necessarily, how do you intend to give the girl rights ? It's all nonsense. When the religion itself is all about power control, it is a man made religion to control women and lower castes. How can you take the control and still believe that the religion will keep standing? By talking the contents of the religion you kill the religion itself. And if you don't take the contents of the religion it kills society. There's no middle way.

"Hinduism doesn't hate women. Its supreme divine power is presented as the Goddess. There are examples of their women saints who distanced themselves from the patriarchy. Hinduism presents women as being full of wisdom"

Can I get to see the book or article where you read this, or an audio where you heard this, or it's that you forgot to put your "LIKELY" here ? there are women gods whom we worship in Navratri(9 days of some month) but after worshipping them ppl go back to abusing women. Praying to some statue isn't the same as respecting women.

I didn't have the intention to compose something so much big, but I didn't expect that the Con will make arguments from his head which are irrelevant and I would have the need to establish that why and how they are irrelevant. I am almost out of word limits, but I will construct a foundation for my next argument on babas, or it will get too much centric on misogyny.

It's a narration of my childhood, and every other Hindu.

Indians(Hindus), are born. Taught that a human(a baba) is the messenger of God, you have to follow whatever he says do that you get moksh(freedom) after death. There are many babas with Different preachings, many times these babas don't even like each other, many see each others as rivals. These Babas are an expert at brain washing. They have MILLIONS in their Pandaal(Preaching hall). Many people start to show abnormal trances even if they get a close sight of the baba, so is the extent of brainwashing. These babas keep making pseudo scientific claims, they run a cult, and are completely toxic.

My Style is Rheotoric, definitely I always use hyperbole. It's an art that has been in use for thousands of years and I didn't knew that there exist people who can't differentiate a hyperbole from a serious note. Sorry that's my fault, I will make sure to not write anything that requires a little more brain to be interpret.

'You can't reform a book but you can reform a religion' Your knowledge is shouting that you don't know a single thing about Hinduism, here Gods are Books and Books are Gods. They are the Pillar on which Hinduism stands, again I am saying, Change it. Go On I am Fine with it. Show me how do you intend to change Hinduism without changing the books. I am actually very curious about that part, I will be very happy to know how can Hinduism be 'reformed, you have been preaching about reforms for a long time now, My only question is "I am going to change Hinduism with Atheism, and that's removing Hinduism. You talk all High of Reforms and Stuff, but what's the Change ? What do you intend to change it with"

"I mean that cultures can have whatever superstitions they want. It isn't sexist"

Hey Mods, do I get banned for calling someone Stupid ? Women are of Sinful birth ain't sexist gang, voters do keep this line in mind while voting.

Well not how pronouns work but ok. You think "it" is a person but you also say "he/him." Come on

Whatever to hide your lack of Knowledge of Hinduism and India. We aren't talking about pronouns and stuff or how we use it. You said 'them' for a straight Single Person Ram Mohan Roy. He was a single person who went against Sati and took support of Christians to ban it, you were unaware of the fact that there aren't multiple people against Sati.

All cultures kill off people who they don't like. Just look at Canada with its euthanasia. If you remove Hinduism, they will find other persons they don't like. This practise was not because of the religion but instead the culture. You can't blame the religion for every problem you happen to find in India. If you bring atheism, they will just hate humankind and kill everyone...

God Damn... can't use those words here...

What the hell dude. All cultures kill people 😂 How does that make Misogyny in Hinduism any more right. Wowww Dude. What an argument !!

Me: They Kill Women in Hinduism

This Trans Dragon: So what bro, doesn't matter, they do that with people they don't like. It happens in Canada too 😁

Bro how did you write that ? What were you thinking. "They don't like" you say 😂 You just accepted my point brotha, they don't like women. Exactly!! That's the point. Thanks for this paragraph of yours dude !! If you remove Hinduism, they will find other people they don't like To kill 😂 seriously ? That's your argument. Upto the will of voters man. I can't argue with that level of intellect. Women aren't victims after all, dude they are saving us, if they don't die THEY WILL COME AFTER US BROO 😭. Atheists will hate all of Humankind 😂 Bro what delusional world are you living in ? Hinduism which is already causing Hindus vs Muslims, Jains, Brahmins, women, etc etc in India is very human friendly too you ? You were just crying about me using a hyperbole of killing and now you are using the same type and in a place where it doesn't fit ? Your personal opinion on non presence of religion doesn't have anything to do with the debate topic, removing Hinduism will just automatically bring nothingness. And you are, If I am right, asserting Stalin like Communist system using a logical fallacy in here, Atheists won't kill or hate anyone. You are just cooking the most irrelevant stuff with your head.

BRAINWASHING? That's what they accuse EVERYONE of doing. Come on...

Are you really that ignorant or trying to sound more ignorant to rage bait me. I won't speak anything. The sources will speak for themselves. Good luck with fighting the facts that I am going to attach and see for yourself what's brainwashing and what's not. I don't know why I am debating with someone who knows nothing, you don't know a single god men. You don't know what they preach, yet you have to make the most stupid statements.

1. https://www.instagram.com/abhinavaroraofficial/?hl=en A minor, A Kid, became a Spiritual Guru after leaving school. His parents use him for monetary gains. He has millions of followers. Yeah THEY ACCUSE HIS PARENTS OF BRAINWASHING. But yeah there's nothing more empowering then letting a kid school to become a baba. Right ?

2.Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh (Dera Sacha Sauda)

Core Issues: Convicted of raping two female disciples in 2002, murdering journalist Ram Chander Chhatrapati (who exposed the sexual abuse), and orchestrating the mass castration of over 400 followers. His 2017 rape conviction sparked riots by his followers, leaving over 30 dead.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/28/indian-court-sentences-god-man-to-10-years-in-prison-gurmeet-ram-rahim-singh?hl=en-GB

What is this ? 2 females went alone to the house of A baba out of Trust, alone. Nah bro that's not brainwashing. People are just accusing the baba cause he has millions of followers.

3. Asha Ram, another accused, I mean convicted Rapist who ran a sex extortion racket, and has raped over countless Minors. It was a structured organization where girls would just go alone to the baba for his blessings. Please believe me, they weren't brainwashed, those wicked people are just accusing the innocent baba.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/india/2018/Apr/25/asaram-bapu-awarded-life-sentence-for-raping-minor-devotee-in-2013-two-aides-get-20-years-jail-term-1806285.html?hl=en-US#:~:text=Asaram%20Bapu%20awarded%20life%20sentence%20for%20raping,self%2Dstyled%20'godman'%20Asaram%20to%20life%20in%20prison

4. At their peak, both Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh and Asaram Bapu commanded massive, politically influential empires with tens of millions of devotees. Ram Rahim's Dera Sacha Sauda claimed roughly 60 million followers worldwide, while Asaram Bapu controlled over 400 ashrams across India and abroad with a claimed following of 40 million people. Despite Asaram's conviction and life sentence for raping a minor, prominent Vrindavan spiritual leader Premanand Ji Maharaj sparked controversy when a video surfaced of him defending the disgraced godman. In the video, Premanand told a distressed follower that Asaram is his "Ram" and "Thakur," arguing that a true devotee should not lose faith because God can play out his divine pastimes anywhere, even in a prison.

This Premanand has 41 million followers on Instagram alone, he openly supports a Rape Convict. India's most famous cricket star, one of the richest person in India, Virat Kohli still follows Premanand. And Virat further has a big following, all these babas have big pollitical connections.

But yeah sure, they are just accusing them of brainwashing.

5. Amogh Lila Das, an engineer-turned-ISKCON monk, commands a massive online following, prominently featuring his YouTube channel ("My Ashraya") with approximately 1.92 million subscribers and over 100,000 daily viewers across platforms. While presenting himself as a spiritual life coach, critics frequently accuse his discourses of promoting dogmatic brainwashing, as he relies on rigid rhetoric to dismiss diverse philosophical thought and rational questioning. This ideology led to a major controversy in 2023 when he openly mocked Swami Vivekananda for eating fish and ridiculed Ramakrishna Paramahansa’s inclusive philosophy that all paths lead to the same destination. Following intense public outrage over these derogatory remarks, ISKCON officially condemned his intolerance, banned him from public events for a month, and ordered him to isolate in the Govardhan hills for "atonement".

6. This one is my Favorite

Dhirendra Krishna Shastri of Bageshwar Dham has built a massive, politically backed empire by exploiting blind faith, claiming to miraculously diagnose and cure physical and mental ailments without any medical training. His facade of supernatural abilities was notably exposed in January 2023 by rationalist Shyam Manav of the Maharashtra Andhashraddha Nirmoolan Samiti (MANS). Manav offered a ₹30 lakh reward if Shastri could prove his "divine powers" by correctly divining information under controlled, testable conditions in Nagpur. Instead of accepting, Shastri refused the challenge, abruptly cut his eight-day event short, and fled the city. Anti-superstition activists continuously demand his arrest under the Drugs and Magic Remedies Act and state anti-black magic laws, arguing his televised "Divya Darbars" rely on cheap psychological parlor tricks and social media data-mining to prey on vulnerable, desperate people.

https://scroll.in/article/1043960/meet-the-rationalist-who-challenged-the-controversial-priest-of-bageshwar-dham](https://scroll.in/article/1043960/meet-the-rationalist-who-challenged-the-controversial-priest-of-bageshwar-dham)

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/aurangabad/anti-superstition-body-opposes-bageshwar-babas-event-in-city/articleshow/104811407.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/aurangabad/anti-superstition-body-opposes-bageshwar-babas-event-in-city/articleshow/104811407.cms)

He has massive connections with BJP, the ruling party and has clicked pictures with our PM.

7. Aniruddhacharya ("Pookie Baba") uses a humorous 10M+ follower viral persona to mask regressive brainwashing. In 2025, he sparked nationwide outrage by claiming unmarried 25-year-old women have "loose character" and have been with multiple partners. This blatant misogyny led to a court case in Mathura and massive protests by women's rights advocates. He was forced to issue apologies, but his repeated controversies expose a deeply patriarchal indoctrination

Other disgraced gurus: Nithyananda, Radhe Maa, Osho, Nirmal Baba, Virendra Dev Dixit, Chandraswami.