Are Egyptian hieroglyphs art or just language?

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Above is a sample from the ancient Egyptian "Spells for the Coming Forth by Day" plate I.

Never mind the translation, I've left that behind to contemplate merely the title's question:

is this art or written language?




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#2 β€’β€’β€’

It's not art or language, it's a writing system.

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@fauxlaw

Picto-graphic communcation aka language?

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@ebuc

Yes, language, but thy does not men no, it's art.

My Egyptian grammar textbook from college is a hardbound, 2" thick volume of 700 pages, so the language is as sophisticated as any modern language, not a primitive one by any measure.

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@fauxlaw

Never really caught on.


Cleverer folk came up with better ideas.


Though it is impossible to know the intention of the original idea and the masons skill.


So it may well have been intended as purely decorative.


Archaeological interpretation is just as speculative.

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@SergeantLynch

refer to my answer in post #4 to ebuc. There is more to the ancient Egyptian language that you have, to date, discovered.

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@fauxlaw

Well, language is primarily communicating and vocalising thoughts, whereas symbolic representations of environment and ideas, are somewhat different, but nonetheless still fall under the umbrella of language


But I'm guessing that ancient Egyptians spoke neither in heiroglyphs or English...Or Egyptian Arabic for that matter.


Sophistication therefore by today's standards does not necessarily mean decorative symbolic narratives.


I would suggest that the evolution and simplification of languages is far more sophisticated in terms of intelligent application.



But hey, if you have a fascination for such things then that's good. I'm not knocking it.


And I have certainly seen and can appreciate ancient Egyptian heiroglyps, repurposed as decorative art.


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Egypt was replaced by countries with better written skills.

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@SergeantLynch

I am in complete agreement with your #7 post.

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@Debby

Egypt? replaced? I seem to have an Egypt in my Nat Geo World Atlas. Granted, I''ve never been there, but I trust people I know who have, and one of them was my Egyptian grammar professor, and he confirmed it still bears that name, and that though it is now a different, modern culture, they respect their heritage, unlike what wokeness has done to America. But, thank goodness, woke is dead. It's just that dome refuse to bury the corpse.

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@fauxlaw

I'd say art, but I'm also thinking 'any written word is art.

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Well, every typography is an art form as @Leaning says. So, yes, it's art. The fact that it's part of a language doesn't make it less of an art.


In fact, art is a way to communicate as music, literature, cinema, painting, sculpture, and so on.

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Hieroglyphs ultimately inspired the Phoenician alphabet and are thus the ancestors of the English alphabet. They're not has-beens; they're forefathers.


To address the question: difficult to answer, from what little I know. Hieroglyphs are a writing system, but it's not like it was one the ancient Egyptians used for common day-to-day communication. These were sacred glyphs reserved for tombs, monuments, religion, stele, obelisks. They were meant to be ornamental and artistic. When artistry was not needed they used hieratic. Later demotic.

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> 5,000 B.C. Picto-graphs..its a bird, its a plane, its superman, no its just a large flying dinosaur based bird


AI..' Iconic-pictograms began appearing on autos in early 70's '...

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@Wryly

Where are the Egyptians today? Even their art is not appreciated.

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@Debby

Their art is famously appreciated read a fucking book Debs

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@Wryly

Ancient Egyptian art is sometimes perceived as "less appreciated" because it was created for different purposes and with different artistic conventions than Western art; its function was not to be admired aesthetically by a broad audience, but to serve religious, symbolic, and practical roles for the deceased or divine recipients, maintaining an idealized, unchanging order rather than expressing individual creativity.The static, formal, and often repetitive nature of Egyptian art reflects these functional goals, which contrast with the naturalism and individualistic expression found in later Greek or Renaissance art. 





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@Debby

I prefer my copypasta al dente.

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@Wryly

When are you going to be original?

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Both?

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I still don’t know what to type!

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What is the other missing element in her personality?

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