New artwork for my Christmas card this year

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#31 •••
@SomeDebatePerson
How do you know they were biological siblings? They could have been adopted or been step-siblings.

Matthew 27:56 suggests they weren’t even brothers at all but instead cousins.


I don't know, but I have no reason to think they weren't His biological siblings.

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#32 •••
@Sidewalker

If they were his actual siblings, Jesus would not have given Mary to John at the cross.


Also, if they are younger siblings, it would make no sense why they give advice and rebuke him as if he is below them.

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#33 •••
@SomeDebatePerson
If they were his actual siblings, Jesus would not have given Mary to John at the cross.


Jesus gave his mother to John to ensure she would be cared for after his death, as Joseph had likely already died. His own siblings were not present at the crucifixion, and they were not yet believers. I think it was a symbolic act that established a spiritual family based on shared faith, rather than biology.


Also, if they are younger siblings, it would make no sense why they give advice and rebuke him as if he is below them.


Of course they were younger, and they were mocking him because that's what siblings do.

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#34 •••
@Sidewalker

Your ideas don’t fit well with the time period.


Mocking (older) siblings wouldn’t have been considered acceptable back then.


Admitting it is a symbolic and spiritual act admits that Mary is our spiritual mother.

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#35 •••
@SomeDebatePerson
Your ideas don’t fit well with the time period.

Mocking (older) siblings wouldn’t have been considered acceptable back then.

Admitting it is a symbolic and spiritual act admits that Mary is our spiritual mother.


The Bible says that prior to the resurrection, Jesus's brothers and family did not believe in him and thought he was mentally unstable, I think that would explain their disrespectful behavior.

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#36 •••
@Sidewalker

This is not the 21st century we’re talking about

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#37 •••
@Sidewalker

I prefer to call it a winter festival in honour of the Sun, our GOD and life giver, as it makes it's way back north again.


And fortunately my wife and I have similar views on the subject of Christmas and all the associated commercial tosh that goes with it these days.


Ignore it.



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#38 •••
@SomeDebatePerson

Various people believe all sorts of non-sense.


Though in terms of verifiability, believe is no substitute for logical common sense.


Depends largely upon a persons formative conditioning and the ongoing establishment of a general operating system.


Teach your kids nonsense and the will grow up believing in non-sense...It's the way it goes.

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#39 •••
@SergeantLynch

"And when his family heard it, they went out to seize him, for they were saying, 'He is out of his mind'" (Mark 3:21).

There was a time when everyone thought Jesus was nuts, His mom included. The Pharisees accused Him of being possessed and His family thought He was insane. They actually wanted to take Him away, maybe get some help, or hide Him from the public for a little while.


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#40 •••
I prefer to call it a winter festival in honour of the Sun, our GOD and life giver, as it makes it's way back north again.


It doesn't matter what you call it, they both celebrate renewal and rebirth, essentially, they are two aspects of one and the same celebration, in terms of meaning, they have more in common than they do differences.


And fortunately my wife and I have similar views on the subject of Christmas and all the associated commercial tosh that goes with it these days.


Everything is commercialized, that's just an aspect of our culture of materialism, if you can think of a major celebration that hasn't been commercialized, let me know so we can monetize it.


Ignore it.


Do you decorate an evergreen tree? How about Yule logs, candles, a winter feast, those all originated in winter solstice celebrations before Christianity embraced them.


I even visit a cave this time of year in honor of the Calling of the Bears, went to Ruby Falls in Chattanooga last week.


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#41 •••
@Sidewalker

Jesus' followers and Christian apologists argue he was not a madman 

based on the content of his teachings, his emotional balance, his relationships with others, and the miracles and resurrection attributed to him. These points are often presented as evidence against the "lunatic" component of C.S. Lewis's "Liar, Lunatic, or Lord" trilemma, which posits Jesus must be one of the three options. 

The Argument from His Behavior and Character

  1. Mental Clarity and Coherence: His teachings were considered clear, logical, and profound enough to attract a diverse following and have a lasting impact on society. He did not exhibit typical signs of mental disorder or paranoia, but acted with a clear sense of purpose.
  2. Emotional Balance: Jesus displayed emotions deemed appropriate to their circumstances, such as weeping at the death of Lazarus and expressing anger at the misuse of the Temple. He maintained calm and self-control, even forgiving his executioners while dying, which is presented as evidence of a balanced personality.
  3. Healthy Relationships: He formed deep, long-lasting friendships with his apostles and interacted well with people from all backgrounds, which is argued to be uncharacteristic of someone detached from reality. 

The Argument from His Actions

  1. Miracles: The Gospels record numerous miracles, such as calming a storm, healing the sick, and raising the dead. Adherents argue that a delusional person could not perform such acts; the success of these acts, in the view of believers, validates his claims.
  2. Resurrection: The resurrection is considered the ultimate proof of his divine authority. His followers' conviction that they encountered the risen Christ is cited as evidence that their belief was not based on a lie or a delusion.
  3. Fulfillment of Prophecy: Believers point to the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies in his life as further proof that he was who he claimed to be. 

These arguments suggest that Jesus' life and actions, as recorded in the Christian scriptures, were inconsistent with the behavior of a madman, leading believers to the conclusion that he was indeed the Son of God. 


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#42 •••
@Debby

Yes, Mark the Cretan or Libyan who briefly visited Jerusalem before moving to Egypt, also had a go.


Typically, he is celebrated during the Autumn equinox period.



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#43 •••
@Sidewalker

Yes. The winter Sun festival comes with various pre-Christian symbolism and traditions. A plastic tree made in China, and perhaps too much food... Logs throughout the winter but none of them is attributed yule status.


The Birth of a major prophet on April 15th needs monetizing, so send your donations to me and I will set up a shrine and a gift shop and buy a reasonably priced EV.


Sadly no bears, so I will hoot at Owls instead.

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#44 •••
@SergeantLynch

is the prophet you mentioned the same?

Guru Nanak

, the founder of Sikhism and a revered spiritual master (often considered a prophet or "Guru" in the Sikh faith), was born on April 15, 1469. The location was Rāi Bhoi Dī Talvaṇḍī, in the Punjab region of the Delhi Sultanate (present-day Nankana Sahib, Pakistan). 

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#45 •••
@Debby

Perhaps the reincarnation of.

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#46 •••
@SergeantLynch

Jesus was not reincarnated 

because the Christian belief in the Incarnation, resurrection, and a single life followed by judgment contradicts the concept of reincarnation. Christians believe Jesus was God becoming human ("in the flesh") once, and his death and resurrection were a singular, final sacrifice for sins, not the start of a new earthly life or cycle. Scripture indicates that after death, one faces judgment, not a return to life in a new body. 

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#47 •••
@Debby

Sikhs might think differently.


In fact, I'm pretty certain that Sikhism is heavily into reincarnation.


You sort of hopped from Sikhism to Christianity there.

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#48 •••
@SergeantLynch

Christians believe in resurrection not reincarnation which is a concept found in Buddhism and Hinduism.

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#49 •••
@Debby

And Sikhism.



The fear and uncertainty of death and the need for an afterlife is a common religious thing.

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#50 •••
@SergeantLynch

Christians believe in resurrection not reincarnation which is a concept found in Buddhism and Hinduism and yes Sikhism too which is also a religion from India.

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#51 •••
@Debby

Yep.


People developed varying hypotheses in response to the fear and uncertainty of death and a need for an afterlife.


It's a common religious thing.


Data in, data assimilation and assessment, data storage, data output and sharing.

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#52 •••
@SergeantLynch
I prefer to call it a winter festival in honour of the Sun, our GOD and life giver,


Sun is the life giver, yes. this is why people should worship the Sun, but people are not grateful.

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#53 •••
@SatanLucy

How about if people worship the God that created the sun?

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#54 •••
@Debby

Sun is most important. No Sun, no us.

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#55 •••
@SatanLucy

The God that created the sun and universe is more important. No God no sun no universe.

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#56 •••
@Debby

God isnt more important than the Sun. No Sun, still God, but no us.

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#57 •••
@SatanLucy

The sun is physically essential for human existence, providing the light and heat that make life on Earth possible through processes like photosynthesis, which forms the basis of the food chain and drives the climate [1].

 

God, as a spiritual and theological concept, is considered more important to human existence from a faith-based perspective. For believers, God is often seen as the source of all existence, the creator of the sun and life itself, and the giver of meaning, morality, and salvation [1]. 

Ultimately, the answer depends entirely on whether one views the question from a purely scientific/materialistic viewpoint or from a religious/spiritual viewpoint [1]. Science details the physical mechanisms of the universe, while religion addresses questions of ultimate origin, purpose, and value. 


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#58 •••
@Debby

The Sun is and a Magic Man is unlikely.


Until such times when the Magic Man shows his face.

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#59 •••
@SergeantLynch

Behind every magic is a magician.

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#60 •••
@Debby

Ignorant humans are easily enthralled.

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