Art of Deception

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AI..' The "art of misleading deception" refers to

the skillful application of various techniques—ranging from outright lies to subtle manipulation of the truth—to deliberately cause someone to accept something as true that is not. This practice is found in human interactions, psychology, literature, military strategy, and even art itself. '..


Animals do this --as does human animal--- with camouflage.

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#2 •••
@ebuc

I am not going to post actively, I just have to respond to this because I sense a bit of harm here, or terrible misleading.


Deception is machiavelli strategy, and its not so much lying as it is not being completely honest. (lying isnt same as not telling complete truth).


there are times when lying is useful. there are times when hiding truth could save your life.


But those situations are so rare that it is probably better for you to be honest generally.


In daily life, you are in 99% of cases not in situations where lying or hiding truth saves your life or even helps you.


I can agree that being completely honest is usually stupid. But being honest enough is crucial.


the secret of success in social life isnt deception. Deception is means which is used when necessary.


But if your goal is to have people like you, the only way that goal is achieved is if you are a source of something those people like. So if person likes comedy, you should be source of comedy. If person likes complaining, you should be source of complaining. If person likes being listened to when complaining, you should be active listener of complaining. If person likes money, you should be source of money. If person likes comfort, you should be source of comfort. If person likes religion, you should be source of religion.


In simple terms, you must be source which provides what person wants. You must be useful.


there is not much room for deception in business or in social relationships. If you rely on deception, it is short term win, but usually long term loss because every lie and every incomplete truth has an expiration date which comes once full truth is revealed.


Building a relationship based on a lie is only good for short term relationships.


Building a business based on a lie is only good for short term business.


Once you are revealed as a manipulator, your reputation is very much lost, and at that point, you lose a lot of respect, and if business, a lot of customers.


true social power comes from being most useful to greatest number of people. Deception wont get you anywhere, literally. the more you lie, the greater the chance of being exposed in a lie. the more you mislead, the greater the chance of people figuring you out.


But being useful is always beneficial, because it is simply true by tautology that people like things which achieve their wants, and by extend, person who is source of those things.

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#3 •••

Another thing, the only way you can get good advice is if you are honest. Being honest makes it more likely for you to get good advice to guide you to better path. Being strong and silent means you miss out on a lot of advice, and that does a good deal of harm to planning.

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Duke of Earl conscious-ness


' As I walk through this world

Nothing can stop the Duke of Earl

And-a you, you are my girl

And no one can hurt you, oh no


And when I hold you

You'll be my Duchess, Duchess of Earl

We'll walk through my dukedom

And a paradise we will share '

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5n0FZo0ME4

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#5 •••
@ebuc
Duke of Earl conscious-ness

' As I walk through this world
Nothing can stop the Duke of Earl
And-a you, you are my girl
And no one can hurt you, oh no

And when I hold you
You'll be my Duchess, Duchess of Earl
We'll walk through my dukedom
And a paradise we will share '
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5n0FZo0ME4


Awesome song!!!


My senior year in High School I sang "Duke of Earl" in the talent show, about 20-30 of us sang it. Somebody came up with the idea at football practice, we called the group "The Lettermen" and our stage costume, we wore our school letter jackets, I'm the one that picked "Duke of Earl" and talked everybody into it.


We also did a second song, "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" another classic.


I'm sure we were great, but that doesn't matter that much because we had a great time even if the audience didn't. LOL


It was so epic, I'm kinda surprised Hollywood hasn't made it into a movie yet, when they do, I'm sure it will be better than "Springsteen: Deliver Me from Nowhere", anything would be better than that snoozefest.



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#6 •••
@ebuc
Animals do this --as does human animal--- with camouflage.


Camouflage is the French word, spelled the same [we Anglophones ripped it it from French], means, primarily, concealment, but also means enhancement, as in use of stage [and street] make-up. So, while many animals of the world conceal, such as leopard spots, or bird feathers, some animals, like the poison dart frogs, use the enhancement feature: bright colors to attract, not conceal, because the poison they carry is on the skin, merely to be touched, even by humans, to kill their aggressors, and not to conceal.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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Did you happen to sing the bass part - that was really awesome. In high school, I participated in a barbershop quartet competition in '66 among our region's high schools [about a dozen high schools in West L.A.]. I was the bass of the group. We sang three selections, beginning with Duke of Earl [not typical barber shop fare, but the other two were, both from "The Music Man"], and took 1st place.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#8 •••
Did you happen to sing the bass part - that was really awesome.


Yes, we had a guy that nailed the leads, and everyone else sang the bass background, both songs were chosen because of their great bass parts for 20+ guys who aren't singers. We had a great wrestler whose last name was Wingo, there was a wrestling move called the "Wingo Whip" named after him, so on "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" we altered the bass portion to "a Wingo Whip, a Wingo Whip, a Wingo Whip, a Wingo Whip", etc...it worked out perfectly.

In high school, I participated in a barbershop quartet competition in '66 among our region's high schools [about a dozen high schools in West L.A.]. I was the bass of the group. We sang three selections, beginning with Duke of Earl [not typical barber shop fare, but the other two were, both from "The Music Man"], and took 1st place.


Other than our guy who sang the leads so perfectly, no way we could have come up with four singers talented enough to do a barbershop quartet. "Duke" and "Lion" were the best songs for what we had to work with. I'm trying to imagine "Duke" done by a barbershop quartet, hard for me to do but I'll bet it was amazing, I'd like to hear both songs done by a barbershop quartet.


We didn't take first place, but we were the crowd favorite by far.

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#9 •••
@ebuc

As in brainwashing 0 - 8 year olds with religious baloney, in order to perpetuate that which is socioeconomic theocratic corruption.

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The crowd is often the best measure of performance success. Should I dub you "Crooner?"

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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@SergeantLynch

no brainwashing pls

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#12 •••
@transgENDER_DRAGON

Might be too late for that.


If you are over 8 years of age, you will already possess your basic operating programme.


Which isn't to say that that you won't be influenced by ongoing data input.



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#13 •••
@SatanLucy

Machiavelli was an underdog for the most part. Greene seems to have the edge, but they are both still theoretical and anecdotal.


Cialdini's work remains the most practical.

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@LancelotDuLac

48 laws of power has it backwards. Seducing those in power isnt as effective as seducing those who placed them there, or upon which their power depends. this is why being popular among masses is more important than being good with ruler. Ruler is controlled by masses, as masses are more powerful than ruler and generally can overthrow him easily.


48 laws of power is worse than Machiavelli strategy, because Machiavelli at least plays it fully safe. With 48 laws of power, you are more likely to expose yourself and make enemies, and one of most basic rules of safety is to not increase number of enemies. Getting good with your master is basically guaranteed to make you a more likely target of others, as well as make others jealous. 48 laws of power would result in just chaos and failure for most people.


Because what most people dont understand is that you dont want to have position of power, you want to be the one who makes decisions while at the same time doesnt take responsibility for them if they go wrong.


In simple terms, you dont want to be the leader, you want to control the leader.

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#15 •••
@SatanLucy
48 laws of power has it backwards. Seducing those in power isnt as effective as seducing those who placed them there, or upon which their power depends. this is why being popular among masses is more important than being good with ruler. Ruler is controlled by masses, as masses are more powerful than ruler and generally can overthrow him easily.


Two laws in that book address this. Playing the perfect courtier and do not outshine the master.

The courtier is often described as having more soft power than the ruler because he has the approval of the people. And while the first law is very strict about not competing with a ruler or superior, the reversal which is the exception states that you may usurp a weak ruler.

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#16 •••
@LancelotDuLac
Two laws in that book address this. Playing the perfect courtier and do not outshine the master.


You actually want to outshine the master in crucial areas. It is how power is gained. there is actually little to no use in constantly bowing to powerful master. You dont become people's favorite by being some bowing buddy with master. You likewise dont become favorite by constantly taking credit, nor you become favorite by being master's errand boy.


the book says many contradictive things, because it has things entirely backwards.


the rule is very simple. Power is defined by influence over people. Influence over people is based on only two things: If those people fear you, or if they love you, or if they love what you provide.


Machiavelli has this correct, but then incorrectly concludes "it is better to be feared than loved". No, it is always better to be loved. In fact, it is best to be not feared at all, because that way you make no enemies. And being loved just means pure influence over decisions.

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Learn what the Bible says about the art of deception.


The Bible portrays the "art of deception" as a negative force, often linked to Satan (the "father of lies") and sin, involving lies, false teachings, flattery, and self-deception, condemned as an abomination to God (Proverbs 6:16-19) and a threat to genuine faith, yet stories like Jacob tricking Esau and Tamar tricking Judah show complex human instances, while believers are called to discern truth and rely on God's Word for guidance against these deceptive tactics. 

Key Biblical Perspectives on Deception:

  1. Divine Condemnation: God hates deceit (Proverbs 6:16-19), viewing a lying tongue and false witness as abominations.
  2. Satan's Role: Satan is the ultimate deceiver, twisting truth to lead people astray, as seen in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3).
  3. Human Deception: Scripture warns against lying and deceiving one another (Leviticus 19:11, Exodus 20:16), highlighting the heart's inherent deceitfulness (Jeremiah 17:9).
  4. Self-Deception: Believers can deceive themselves into thinking they are righteous when they are not, a dangerous state without genuine faith in Christ (1 John 1:8).
  5. Consequences: Deception leads to a seared conscience, spiritual death, and judgment, though repentance offers a path to cleansing. 

Examples in Scripture:

  1. The Serpent (Satan): Used ambiguity and flattery to deceive Eve into disobeying God.
  2. Jacob: Deceived his father Isaac and brother Esau to gain the birthright, a key event in his life story.
  3. Tamar: Deceived Judah to secure her rightful inheritance as a widow (Genesis 38). 

Counteracting Deception (The "Art" of Truth):

  1. Discernment: Believers are called to test everything and examine themselves (1 Peter 3:15, 2 Corinthians 13:5).
  2. God's Word: The Bible serves as the ultimate guide to truth, freeing people from lies (John 8:32).
  3. Spiritual Armor: Ephesians 6:11 calls for putting on the full armor of God to stand against deceptive tactics.
  4. Purity of Heart: The goal is a pure heart and hands, free from deceit and guile (Psalm 24:4, Revelation 14:5). 


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