Root words and the OED

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My friend, Satan Lucy, claims words do not have root words from which they derive. I present the Oxford English Dictionary with evidence of root words from which other words derive due to the OED's long standing tradition of providing the etymology of virtually every word in the lexicon of the English language. These are otherwise known as root words: according to the OED, "...etymology is a feature of the [OED} dictionary and historical tracing of a word's root words and their evolution."

Most dictionaries do not include this exhaustive study; thus, the OED, in. print, is 20 volumes using a 6-point font -- occupying about 2 linear feet on my library shelf -- not a single volume as is virtually every other English dictionary in existence. As a result, a word as simple as "salt" occupies 18 column inches to fully define and apply etymology.

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@fauxlaw

Quite.

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#3 •••
@fauxlaw

Deduction is taking part from whole. What you do adds to something.

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#4 •••
@SatanLucy

When your actions "add to something," they are 

a form of enhancement or contribution, depending on the context. You can use synonyms like improveboostincrease, or strengthen to describe making something better or bigger. In a professional setting, this is often referred to as adding value. 

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Is there a word that means "A person that is too fucking stupid to know when they are being trolled"?



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@Sidewalker

The term often used to describe a person too foolish to realize they are being trolled is 

someone suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect, a cognitive bias where they are incompetent at something and lack the ability to recognize their own incompetence. They are overconfident, which prevents them from seeing the humor or the manipulation in a situation. 

you just earned a new title.

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@Debby
The term often used to describe a person too foolish to realize they are being trolled is 
someone suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect, a cognitive bias where they are incompetent at something and lack the ability to recognize their own incompetence. They are overconfident, which prevents them from seeing the humor or the manipulation in a situation. 
you just earned a new title.


That's not a word, and that's not what it means.


Now do chatbot.

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@Sidewalker


The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias where people with low ability in a specific skill or area of knowledge overestimate their own competence. This happens because their lack of skill prevents them from recognizing their own mistakes and shortcomings. Conversely, high performers sometimes underestimate their own abilities. 

  1. Overestimation: Individuals with low expertise tend to be overly confident in their performance, sometimes believing they are among the best.
  2. Lack of self-awareness: The same lack of skill that makes them incompetent also makes them unable to accurately assess their own lack of skill.
  3. Reverse effect: High performers may underestimate their own abilities because they assume tasks that are easy for them are also easy for others.
  4. Impact on learning: This effect can lead to a lack of motivation for self-improvement, as people who think they are already good at something see no reason to learn more. 


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@Debby

That's not "chatbot", do "chatbot".

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#10 •••
@Sidewalker

I don’t use chatbot. Sorry!

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#11 •••
@SatanLucy
Deduction is taking part from whole. What you do adds to something.


Two disconnected comments. What if what you do is deductive? What is added, then?

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@SatanLucy
Deduction is taking part from whole. What you do adds to something.


Need a dictionary? You're confusing "derive" with both "deduce," and "deduction." When one derives something, it is something obtained from a specified source. That is additive, not deductive. Just as "deduce" something is obtaining a fact or conclusion by reasoning, which is also additive, not defective. Please!

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@fauxlaw

The confusion between "derive," "deduce," and "deduction" stems from overlaps in their logical applications, as well as a separate, common meaning for the verb "deduct" (to subtract)

Here is a breakdown of their primary uses:

Derive

  1. General Meaning: To obtain something from a specified source.
  2. In Logic/Math: To systematically transform one set of facts or expressions into a new, equally true form using an application of logical rules or axioms. The process of derivation shows how a conclusion is reached step-by-step from initial premises. 

Deduce

  1. Meaning: To reach a solid conclusion by applying logic to a set of known or assumed facts.
  2. In Logic: This is the verb form of "deduction." It is a specific type of reasoning where the conclusion is a necessary consequence of the premises—if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true. 

Deduction

  1. In Logic/Reasoning: This noun refers to the processor result of deductive reasoning (as described above). It is the formation of a conclusion based on generally accepted statements or facts.
  2. Common/Accounting Meaning: This is where significant confusion can occur: in everyday language, "deduction" often refers to an amount that has been subtracted, and the related verb is deduct(e.g., "The employer deducts taxes from a paycheck"). 

Summary of Distinctions

Term Primary Meaning (Reasoning Context)Common Secondary Meaning
DeriveTo obtain a result or expression through systematic logical transformation.To originate or come from a source (e.g., "Vanilla is derived from orchids").
DeduceThe act of drawing a necessary logical conclusion from given facts (verb).Less common, but sometimes used interchangeably with "deduct" (to subtract).
DeductionA conclusion that follows necessarily from premises (noun).An amount that is subtracted (e.g., tax deductions).

The key takeaway is that while "derive" and "deduce" are often used as synonyms in the context of logical reasoning, "deduction" has a strong, separate association with subtraction in general use. 


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@fauxlaw
That is additive


So you are adding.

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@SatanLucy

Adding knowledge, yes


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@Debby

The key reason I believe you do not originate this flood of analysis, but that it is AI is because of lack of detail. Of the thousands of orchid varieties [there are about 26K natural species, and another 100K man-made, but those that produce vanilla beans are severel reduced; about 3.


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@fauxlaw
Adding knowledge, yes


Adding your words to Bible.

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@SatanLucy

Yes, the Bible contains warnings, particularly in 

Revelation 22:18-19, that curse those who add to or take away from its words, promising plagues for additions and loss of eternal life for subtractions, though scholars debate if this applies only to Revelation or the entire Bible, with some believing it refers to the specific book's final prophecies and others to scripture as a whole. Similar commands also appear in Deuteronomy, emphasizing the importance of preserving God's complete message. 

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@SatanLucy

What! I add nothing to the Bible. What do you think I have added, pray, tell?

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@Debby

When John wrote Revelation back in the day, was there yet any Bible assembled? No! There were individual scrolls of texts, but no flippin' Bible. Get it? Even A.I. will admit that. John had to have been writing about Revelation, only, and he had no idea there would eventually be an assembled, printed full Bible, and that his book would be its last item, did he? However would he know that? His "curse" is for addition/subtraction to Revelation only. Nor did Moses know any better forDuetereonomy, and whatever other author may have made such warnings of altercation. Come on! I knew this in grade school. John tells us in Ch. 1, verse 4 to whom he is writing: "To the seven churches in the province of Asia..." That we can take advantage of his writing is near miraculous, as with any other ancient texts. Who knows what has bee lost?

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

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@fauxlaw
What do you think I have added, pray, tell?


Is Christianity mentioned in Bible ever anywhere?

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@SatanLucy
What do you think I have added, pray, tell?

Is Christianity mentioned in Bible ever anywhere?


Asked and answered Rainman.


https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/religion/posts/hu/show-me-where-bible-mentions-the-word-christianity?page=1&comment_number=10


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@Sidewalker
Asked and answered Rainman.


So no, the word Christianity isnt mentioned anywhere in Bible as word. So we can say Christianity is made up and Christianity is just people adding words to Bible and then saying Bible says something which isnt found in Bible. Nowhere does Bible say "Your religion is Christianity or Catholicism by Bible".

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@SatanLucy

Christ

 is a title meaning "Anointed One," from the Greek Khristos, translating the Hebrew Mashiach(Messiah), referring to Jesus, whom Christians believe is the promised savior. Christianity, the world's largest religion, stems from Jesus' life, teachings, and resurrection, with followers called Christians, united by belief in Jesus as the Son of God and Messiah. While related, "Christ" is Jesus' title, "Christian" is the follower, and "Christianity" is the faith centered on them, emphasizing faith in Jesus and his path to salvation. 

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@Debby
"Christianity" is the faith centered on them



Quote Bible verse which says "Christianity is your religion".

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#26 •••
@SatanLucy

The followers of Christ were called Christian’s and the religion was called Christianity.


Christianity is the world's largest monotheistic religion, centered on the life, teachings, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, whom followers believe is the Son of God and the prophesied Messiah. With over 2.3 billion followers (Christians) globally, it's an Abrahamic faith, sharing roots with Judaism and Islam, united by belief in one God but differing on Jesus's divine role and path to salvation, with major branches including Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant traditions. 

Core Beliefs & Figures:

  1. Jesus Christ: Believed to be God's Son, part human, part divine, who atoned for humanity's sins through his crucifixion and resurrection.
  2. The Trinity: The concept of one God existing as three co-equal persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit.
  3. The Bible: The sacred scripture, comprising the Old Testament (shared with Judaism) and the New Testament (chronicling Jesus's life and early church).
  4. Salvation: Through faith in Jesus, believers receive forgiveness and eternal life, bridging the gap between sinful humanity and God. 

Key Characteristics:

  1. Origins: 1st century AD in Judaea (Roman Empire).
  2. Global Reach: Most widespread religion, geographically diffused across the world.
  3. Diversity: Huge variety of denominations (Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Pentecostal, etc.) and cultural expressions. 

Significance:

  1. Influenced major world events, philosophies (like the Enlightenment), and cultures.
  2. Central to ethics, art, and community for billions worldwide, emphasizing love, redemption, and a relationship with God. 


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@Debby

Verse?

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@SatanLucy

Followers of Jesus were first called 

Disciples or "the Way," but in the city of Antioch, non-Jewish residents first called them Christians (meaning "followers of Christ") around the first century AD, a term derived from Christos (anointed one). Early self-designations also included "saints" or "brethren". 

Key Terms & Origins:

  1. Disciples (Mathētai): This was the original term for Jesus's followers, meaning learners or apprentices, emphasizing imitation of the master.
  2. The Way: Early Jewish followers referred to themselves as "The Way," possibly linked to Isaiah 40:3 ("prepare the way of the LORD").
  3. Nazarenes: Other Jews sometimes called them this.
  4. Christians (Christianoi): First used in Antioch (Acts 11:26), meaning "belonging to Christ," from "Christos" (Messiah/Anointed). 

So, while they called themselves disciples, the world began calling them Christians, a name that stuck and spread. 

The religion as a whole was called Christianity.

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#29 •••
@SatanLucy
Asked and answered Rainman.

So no, the word Christianity isnt mentioned anywhere in Bible as word. So we can say Christianity is made up and Christianity is just people adding words to Bible and then saying Bible says something which isnt found in Bible. Nowhere does Bible say "Your religion is Christianity or Catholicism by Bible".


Language is human, so all words are made up Rainman.


The word Bible isn't in the Bible either, what profound wisdom can you tell us about that?


BTW, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but believe it or not, the Bible was not written in English.


Also, in case you didn't know, it was written a long time ago.


The people that wrote it were Jews.


Lesson over.


You're welcome.

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#30 •••
@Sidewalker

Yes, the Bible was written by Jews

, especially the Old Testament (the Hebrew Bible/Tanakh), which consists of texts like the Torah, Prophets, and Writings, compiled over centuries by Jewish figures. The New Testament, focusing on Jesus and early Christianity, was also written by Jews (like the Apostles) in Greek, reflecting their Jewish background and addressing issues within the Jewish community of that era. 

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