Arrogation

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Admittedly, this may be a new word to some, and many typify its existence among us. Also, admittedly, I've been guilty of the practice, but committed to it is personal dismissal: Arrogation. To arrogate is to take or claim something without justification. It is derived from the Latin, arrogare, to appropriate to one's self. It is, therefore, etymologically rooted in arrogance. One might say that to arrogate is to activate into practice the attitude of arrogance. For example: They arrogate to themselves the ability to divine the true thoughts, intentions, and according actions of another person. As such, it belongs under the logical fallacy of the a priori argument.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#2 β€’β€’β€’
@fauxlaw

I don’t find you arrogant but I do see you are committed to your beliefs.

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@Debby

I am commmitt3ed to my faith. Mere belief can accept fantasy. That's the distinction of faith and belief. Read the 1th chapter of Hebrews. Faith is based upon evidence and substance. Fantasy is not.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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@fauxlaw

If there was evidence and substance, then faith would be unnecessary.


If one knows something then one doesn't need to believe it.


Belief in the unknown necessitates fantasy.



Yes "arrogate", is simply defined, but nonetheless burdened by that simplicity.


Justification is whatever justification might be...Which might not be the same to one as it is to another.

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#5 β€’β€’β€’

I also find once I start to argue a side, I often become more invested with that side.

And so the error of jumping to a conclusion can compound.

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@SergeantLynch

All true, imo, but for the first sentence. "If there was evidence and substance" is a non-factor as an if/then because, even by faith, as well as potentially belief, there is some evidence and substance to go on. It may be slim, but there's enough.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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@SergeantLynch

Good point.

Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

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#8 β€’β€’β€’
@fauxlaw

Well yes, slim evidence and substance necessitates faith or belief.


But even though the bus has turned up everyday at 3pm for the past week, there is still now way of knowing that it will turn up today.


All that one can actually do is stand and wait and generate fantasies.

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@SergeantLynch

What builds the conviction of things not seen or the assurance of things hoped for?

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@Debby

Bot

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#11 β€’β€’β€’
@UmbrellaCorp

Is that another brain freeze you are experiencing?

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@SergeantLynch

Granted that any scheduled event can be delayed or cancelled any day and time, but the more I can depend on self-sufficiency, the better personal planning becomes personal accomplishment. Short of dying for cause, though unplanned, my family and I survive with current supplies in the house for about five years, completely off grid if necessary. That comes by ambition, planning and execution, same as my investment goals accomplishment.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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@Debby

Acquired and stored data, which is not necessarily factual.

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@fauxlaw

Yes, such were the ambitions and necessities of the character who was honed and became Fauxlaw....Or Fauxlaw as I know them.


My modus was somewhat similar but also somewhat more haphazard by comparison...Perhaps honed by British society.


I certainly do not have 5 years of supplies to sustain me if things do go sour, which is certainly looking more of a threat these days.


Though if the severity of social decline becomes so catastrophic, I'm not sure how much difference forward planning would make.


I suppose that off grid, is more about remoteness and inaccessibility, which in the UK is not really achievable. Nonetheless in this day and age one is never completely hidden from view.

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@SergeantLynch

Why is there so much negativity coming from you. Britain still has a king.

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@Debby

Oh, I'm quite positive really, content with my little lot as it currently is, financially secure, due to retire fully in two months, fit and planning some long distance walks, and also planning on moving to the coast...At rapidly approaching 66, what could possibly go wrong?


Yep, it's a big list.


But here goes, fingers crossed.

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#17 β€’β€’β€’
@SergeantLynch

Happy retirement. Stay healthy.

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@SergeantLynch
 I'm not sure how much difference forward planning would make.


Perhaps in your case, in the UK, being "remote" is not so much of a possibility, but I know for a fact that "remote" is a present, achievable condition, just as I am. I live at 7,500 feet elevation in the middle of a Rocky Mountain forest where I cannot even see my few neighbors, though I know they are there. "Remote" is descriptive of our condition, and that was part of my planning and execution. Let's just say I'm not very concerned that a disruptive street riot is in my future since I cannot see the road from my house. The road is barely paved and has no gutter. Seems you don't know me as well as you think you've pegged me.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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@fauxlaw

Well, I don't know you at all, nor anyone else who uses DebateCraft for that matter.


Just pointing out that "off grid" in a country one fortieth of the size of the USA, where the highest point is only 4400 feet is not really achievable.


One can be slightly more remote I suppose...Scotland is probably the best bet for remoteness.


And roads here are in varying states of repair, and certainly on minor Welsh roads there is no such thing as a gutter. In fact I'm not sure that gutters feature at all in British road design.

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@SergeantLynch

But gutter talk is very colloquial to all those countries .

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#21 β€’β€’β€’
@Debby

Yes channels or ditches known as gutters was where effluent went.


Latterly underground sewage management systems were established.


So gutter talk, is basically talking sh*t.

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#22 β€’β€’β€’
@SergeantLynch

Do they choke more and have to pause to get the words out giving them that British accent.

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#23 β€’β€’β€’
@Debby

Nope, that's the Welsh accent...All phlegm and spitting.

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@SergeantLynch

Finally we have an explanation for their accent. Thanks.

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