Blasted YouTube not posting my comments, fine I'll stick this here then.
Executions and Slavery,
I think I put more emphasis on social infrastructure and technology for lessening much of societies worse impulses.
But I also think without positive interpersonal moral systems and culture, societies can go a bad way, even 'with social infrastructure and technology.
If people don't care to keep and maintain it, it falls apart and get's destroyed.
The first world isn't immune to corruption, selfishness, or power seekers.
Slavery is a diverse concept,
One can see a value in it, in older societies that warred with one another, does one execute POW or imprison them in servitude?
Course, then one has another 'reason to war and raid.
In the older world without as many established institutions and tracking methods such as banks, fingerprints, or photos.
One 'always has one's body and time for manual labor to trade,
Servitude for a period of time, rather than eternal.
Often slaves having various rights.
I recall reading of the Jubilee and various other slave laws in the Bible,
That would result in the freeing of slaves.
Though I think they were more applied to their fellow Hebrews, than slaves not of their people.
The worst forms of slavery though, such as chattel slavery, and systems where slaves have no rights.
Are harder to justify.
. . .
Joseph de Maistre,
I can find a bit on him online. Such as his comparison between a soldier and an executioner. He looks an interesting thinker.
Hobbesian, Coercion must come from the outside, dislike of the primitive man and the savage, doesn't seem to value science too highly, authority must be dark impenetrable and uncriticizable, I don't much care for an excerpt where he talks of torture, Still, his writings look fascinating.
It does seem hypocritical, of society to condemn the executioner or the torturer, yet acclaim the soldier.
Though either is 'ideally supposed to work justly.
The executioner on the guilty, the soldier on other soldiers.
But the soldier in history 'has often been a raider, a killer and slaver of civilians, burner of crops and infrastructures.
I recently read a book about William Marshal, a knight of England around the time of Richard the Lionheart.
Part of the book that talked about how often armies would pillage and burn villages to prevent the other side from using them was interesting. Hardly fitting the 'idea one has of chivalric knights.
But one often doesn't 'think of the dirty aspect of soldiers and warriors I suppose.
One see's the power, the glory, connects and takes pride in the 'idea of a person struggling and fighting for his people.
As one does with a football team.
While the executioner and the torturer has ugly nasty jobs we don't want to think about, are often ashamed about.
Course on another hand, I've heard people were often fond of attending public executions.
. . .
I can see the appeal of unquestioned value,
I am a Nihilist in a sense, when I look at morality, it all seems so arbitrary and subjective at times, what people value.
Anything one looks at, enough dissembling and I don't see the 'ought,
Only that 'if a person cares about that, logically he would care about this. And act in thus manner.
Still, cherry picker of the Bible I am,
Proverbs Four Seven, fourteen fifteen,
Timothy two seven,
Thessalonians five twenty-one,
Mathew seven fifteen,
The Bible frequently encourages people to think and be cautious of their faith.
Though admittedly other passages encourage faith more than reason.
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Human Nature
Who can say what a 'natural human would do?
Given all humans are so formed by Nurture?
. . . Though I am defining Nature as genetics, rather than what one see's non humans doing in nature, the plants and animals.
I don't think it's 'all Nurture,
. . . Some animals have their nature, can't be domesticated, same with some humans, their genetics strongly push them on a path.
Mencius took the other idea of humans being innately good,
Stories such as the child falling down a well,
Or Ox Mountain.
Though I prefer his story on Ox Mountain,
The effects of nurture on people.
It rings the same with me as in White Fang by Jack London.
Throughout the book, one see's the effect of nurture.
The Parable of the Sower in the Bible,
Has long influenced me in thinking on how people are influenced by where they end up, what they interact with in life.
. . .
Closing thought,
I prefer the middle way, more than man is evil or man is good.
. . . The Bible I'd say focuses a lot on the fallibility of humans, which is not bad, it seems something good to be reminded of.
Remember you are a man, as a Roman slave might say.
But the Bible often spoke of the Hebrews for example, frequently being given so much by God, yet in action they frequently turned away,
Committed evil.
You have another song I enjoy about Absalom.
Even great individuals in the Bible such as David, chosen by God, were still human, flawed, committed evil, that often was self destructive.
Though, I'm not fond of claiming no fault or blame, as song I'm Only Human by Rag'n'Bone Man might say.
I can 'appreciate it, but I dislike focusing on what's out of my control,
And prefer being aware of what 'is in my control, what I 'could have done, what I 'might do in the future.