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So out of curiosity I want to ask the debate craft community how I should know if I am doing the right things to transition to a better paying career field. I guess I am asking for advice to see if I need to be doing something else to improve my resume and skills so I can get a job after I make it through grad school. I am currently a teacher, and I am trying to transition out to make more money. Well and the stress while at work isn’t worth it (I guess the bonus is I get time off, but how things are going, I would rather work all year compared to being in a classroom). I am 75% done with my PhD program in Educational Research and statistics, but I feel that I should be a tad further than where I am. I got my first peer review paper published this April, and I am about to start teaching College part time at a University at night. I have a lot of wins, such as presenting at three research conferences with two additional manuscripts going through the peer review process. I should be grateful because that is a lot of wins, but I haven’t caught a big win just yet career wise. Granted outside of teaching in college most of the jobs I could get in my new field of study are outside of my town. I guess this long post is, how do you know you are moving in the right direction?

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@TheAnalyticalAdvocate

If its easier work, more money or same money, and more free time, then its right call.


If its more money but more work and less free time, then its meh.

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@SatanLucy

Ehh most of what I am doing will probably be your second category. I will basically be doing research, doing data analytics, or teaching in college. Pay can be good and is less stressful than the k-12 environment. I’m more just trying to see how everyone improves their credentials. I want to leave my job sooner rather than later. I’m racking up small wins, but I am unsure when I will be ready for the transition because even entry level is becoming competitive. For example academia is extremely competitive. It’s best to have some edge somewhere. Granted I may have to start doing a job that looks at data, research, or some form of program evaluation. I may need to hault trying to look at colleges for a job. Teaching full time and part are very different, where the colleges often expect a lot more to be hired full time.

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@TheAnalyticalAdvocate

My Dad really hated being a teacher, course he always let his paperwork pile up, so part of it was his own fault I think.

Course there was a lot else he disliked.

Lot of the Principles and some other higher ups I think, probably disliked some parents, some kids, some other teachers.


He seemed to like being a prison guard more, and it paid more.

Personally I think he should have just stuck to being a teacher, but on another hand, I don't know much of the stresses of being a teacher.


A friend of mine also hated being a teacher, but I'm sure there's some people out there who love it.

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Are you married?

If so then that can be a big consideration, married people often being a single person together, wanting to be part of big decisions in life.


How secure is the job being a teacher?

How secure might the new job be?

How much do you hate being a teacher?


I expect most people hate most jobs in life, but one is better off choosing a job one hates less I suppose.

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"how do you know you are moving in the right direction?"

-TheAnalyticalAdvocate


Well,

If the path looks sustainable, then one is probably going in the right direction.

Just make model of far future,

If one is not working at all, probably not the right direction.

If one really hates their job, maybe not the right direction, though I suspect many people hate their jobs, and even a number of other jobs they might have.

If one can barely afford anything now or in the expected future, probably not the right direction.


Depends though,

Budgeting exists, pay raises over time exist.

Course with pay raises, one has to be sure of keeping their current job.

Or in gaining enough experience or promotions to get a higher paying job next time if let go.

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I always thought if I could get a pension through teaching plus summers off, that could justify a whole hell of a lot

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@linate

It use to be that way lol! It’s really been in the past three years you are so beaten up you like need that time to recover. Granted that could just be my district. Over managing bosses, that pick fights with you daily even when you follow their directive. The kids are getting worse. It’s actually isn’t them being mean but more impulsive. The act way before thinking. More paper work from before. Angry parents. Honestly most teachers at the school I am at feel this way. They hate the bosses, the kids are crazy, and the parents are crazy lol! Teaching has become the least important part of the job now, which is where my main disconnect has been lol! I have a love hate relationship with it lol!

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@TheAnalyticalAdvocate

Politics is the highest paying career.

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#8 •••
@Debby

Maybe lol

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#9 •••
@TheAnalyticalAdvocate

But you are making the right decision moving away from K-12.

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@TheAnalyticalAdvocate

Teachers develop strong transferable skills that can be valuable to potential employers, public speaking, strong organization skills, relationship skills, and strong communication skills are highly valued in the private sector. Don't expect potential employers to recognize that teachers have the skills they need, you need to sell it and explain how it applies to their needs. Probably the single most valuable skill that companies look for is communication skills, verbal and written, and a teaching background is pretty much a guarantee of strength in that area. Your resume gets you the interview, research the job and explain how you have those skills in a summary of qualifications, apply teaching to the skills they are looking for, don't expect them to figure that out on their own.


Teaching experience and advanced education in teaching maps directly into careers in corporate training which has expanded into include other areas like instructional design.


Project and program management are lucrative careers in a broad range of businesses, teaching skills like communication, organization, and planning map into those program and project management functions well.


Sell your ability to communicate, in almost any business success is a matter of selling yourself and your ideas, the single most important skill that defines success in business, is the ability to communicate, press that as your superpower wherever you go.


A lot of management skills parallel teaching skills, as do sales jobs which can be very lucrative. most sales jobs are a matter of teaching customers about your product or service and explaining how it benefits them, most sales jobs are just teaching plus the ability to close. Sales jobs typically pay for performance, especially the most lucrative ones, so don't be shy about telling them you are hungry for more money, they want to see that, in a sales interview, you like teaching, it just doesn't pay enough. Tell them about the 80/20 rule, (80% of sales comes from 20% of the salespeople), tell them you have the skills and want to be in that 20% group since that's where the big money is, that will help overcome concerns that a teacher might be naive about the competitive business world. I hired quite a few teachers into sales jobs in my career, usually it was a great move.


If you want to pursue a lucrative sales career, let me coach you on how to nail the interview. Sales is pretty much teaching plus the ability to overcome objections, and most importantly, the ability to close, it's pretty straightforward to explain why the skills you developed teaching applies to their needs but make sure you walk them through it to show them you understand the task at hand, overcome any objections they bring up, that's a test. Once you do that well, the only question they have left is "can you close", so when the interview is coming to an end, typically that's when they ask if you have any questions for them, ask them what the most important quality a salesperson can have is, many will say the ability to close, but if they say anything else, tell them you think it's the ability to close, and then ask for the order, tell them you are closing them, ask when do I start. They will either hire you, or tell you they have others to interview, if you can't close them in the interview, ask them to make you a promise, if the other candidates don't try to close them, then they will give you the job. That will convince them you can sell, tell them you aren't just a teacher, you are a salesman who has worked as a teacher, and it will also make them compare every other candidate to you, and I guarantee you they will eliminate anyone who doesn't try to close them in the interview.


I managed salespeople in a very high-tech industry for decades, most sales manager's know they can teach you their product or service, what they are looking for in the interview is someone who possesses the skills that are very hard to teach, as a teacher, you can convince them you have those skills, tell them that you have the skills that are hardest to teach and you know they can always teach you the technology, product, or service, you should be convincing that you have developed those skills through teaching, and then you close them.


I spent a lot of time talking about the career path I know best, but like I said, teaching develops a range of skills that port very well into a broad range of careers, learn what the job entails, recognize how well your teaching skills prepare you for that, and go sell yourself.


Last thing, wear a dark blue or charcoal gray suit, white shirt, maroon tie, that's the classic business power suit, go to the interview looking like a businessperson, not a teacher.

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@Sidewalker

Teachers in Canada earn more than in the States and are appreciated more with better pensions and unions.

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