I changed my mind on trans issues

All this over one internet argument?

For years, I used to believe trans people should be encouraged to be trans, that it is good for them.

But now I am thinking that I was actually wrong, because we generally shouldn't encourage people to castrate themselves because that reduces birth rates.

To publicly admit you were wrong rubs some of the shine away from your other qualities and even adds doubts that you were wrong in other positions as well. Only time will tell.

Idk, elevating it to an 'argument' feels like it gives things more weight than it merits. I'd call it more of a 'group roasting session'.

All this over one internet argument?

Its not really one argument. What I do is simply induction pattern generalization, as I learned from Machiavelli's work.

It means we use real life examples to see patterns, probabilities...ect. For example, when we say that trans people arent driven by primitive emotions, it only takes few examples of trans people to break that illusion.

I used to support trans people thinking its "their body, their choice", even when they were doing most insane nonsense, such as "banning misgendering".

But the more trans people I met, one thing became more and more obvious, even on modern day debate. these are people governed entirely by emotions, would implement laws based on emotions and laws based on offending their feelings.

I admit, ever since Bones won that debate arguing against trans issues, I had a bit of doubt if trans support was actually healthy.

But it didnt take many examples for me to realize an obvious truth about trans people, first the truth that they are pushing their ideology on kids and convincing kids they are trans, and many examples of kids regretting after being brainwashed into that.

But that wasnt what convinced me right away. What convinced me is this: All trans people I met seemed to have values which only make sense if they are driven by emotions. RemyBrown noticed this too. trans people dont believe in free speech, and in any server where they are majority, they ban anyone who disagrees with trans issues.

I realized that supporting trans people likely endangers free speech, because these people dont believe in free speech one bit. they are driven by emotions and would make laws based on emotions if they ever got more influence or power.

To publicly admit you were wrong rubs some of the shine away from your other qualities and even adds doubts that you were wrong in other positions as well.

I usually have a policy of "admit no flaw". It means no matter what flaws my arguments have, never admit them. However, this time it would be bad for me to not admit I was wrong on trans issues.

After spending years breaking my brain to come up with excuses for trans ideology, I only realized I was supporting people who were essentially mentally unstable and have more mental illnesses than any other group of people other than fully insane groups.

trans people are simply opposite of perfection. While I do believe many men get born with female brain, I dont think encouraging them to wear dresses will make them smarter.

I also need to consider if I was wrong on rest of lgbt as well, but we will see. I didnt take enough time to study these groups, so my previous opinions on them were based on a more idealistic version of them which sadly likely doesnt exist in reality.

As I always say...Procreational sex and recreational sex are two different things that are inextricably linked by the human condition.

So I could go on a length about the subject, but the bottom line is that if a bloke wants to cut of his dick and balls and call himself Tiffany, there a folk about who will happily cut of his dick and balls and call him Tiffany...And quite frankly I don't care...Because there are 8.2 billion others and currently Tiffany and their sexual fantasist friends have no impact on population levels.

OK...And just to be balanced...She might gorge on hormone supplements, have her tits removed and call herself Derek....Not really sure how such people come off in the dick department though....Any ideas?

As I always say...Procreational sex and recreational sex are two different things that are inextricably linked by the human condition.

We already struggle enough as a society to permit individual euthanasia. The euthanasia of a species with below replacement levels seems a tad spicier with harsh long-term consequences.

but the bottom line is

Nice word choice.

if a bloke wants to cut of his dick and balls and call himself Tiffany, there a folk about who will happily cut of his dick and balls and call him Tiffany

I dont care for their self harm. If trans people were merely self harming, I wouldnt care. I think people have right to self harm. But once you realize these people usually suffer from a wide range of mental illnesses, and get offended and overreact just because someone doesnt want to call them their nickname, and would literally abolish all speech and freedoms just to uphold a right no one else in society has, thats when you realize that supporting these people is just asking for trouble.

Yes Shoresy, bottoms often feature heavily.

And yes Lucy, I generally agree, but whether It's classifiable as mental illness or just socio-psychological evolution is open for discussion...I tend to run with the latter, but nonetheless I think that such behaviour can easily lead to mental health problems.

I feel lucky, if my Mom told me I could pick my gender when I was 6, I probably would have gone on a murder spree at some point in my life.

whether It's classifiable as mental illness or just socio-psychological evolution is open for discussion

It's mostly both of these. Chicken and egg stuff.

if my Mom told me I could pick my gender when I was 6

I can see how new generations are completely incompetent and retarded. the more nonsense you teach a child, the bigger the retard it becomes. And the nonsense lgbt teaches is designed to produce castrated men and depressed women. Its funny how uneducated people 500 years ago were producing more confident generations than people today do. Not all education is beneficial. In fact, learning nonsense turns person into a bigger idiot. And the birth rates, suicide rates, and depression rates show the actual situation in society, a product of being fed nonsense.

You seem to have converted at a later stage. So people mature at different ages.