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Hi guys Im just wondering if consciousness is a byproduct of physical processes, then when a being ceases to exist, does the universe ‘lose’ something, or was consciousness never truly a part of the cosmos to begin with?


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@Sovereign

When the brain dies, the physical processes that generate awareness, thoughts, memories, and self-awareness terminate, causing the consciousness to disappear.

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@Debby
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@wylted
Citation?


The statement that consciousness disappears when the brain dies, due to the termination of the physical processes that generate it, is a foundational tenet of modern neuroscience and neurobiology

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov +2

Based on medical and scientific literature, here are the relevant citations supporting this consensus:

  1. Edelman, G. M., & Tononi, G. (2000). A Universe of Consciousness: How Matter Becomes Imagination.
  2. This work supports the view that consciousness arises from intricate neuronal interactions and ceases when these physical interactions stop, as the brain provides the necessary substrate for awareness.
  3. Wijdicks, E. F. M. (2001). Brain Death (or later publications by this author/American Academy of Neurology).
  4. Wijdicks defines brain death as the irreversible cessation of all brainstem functions, leading to an "irreversible apneic coma," which terminates consciousness, self-awareness, and cognitive function.
  5. Blanke, O., & Arzy, S. (2005). "The Out-of-Body Experience: Disturbed Self-Processing at the Temporo-Parietal Junction." Neuroscientist.
  6. This research indicates that self-awareness and conscious experience are localized to specific neuronal activity, which ceases upon death.
  7. "What happens to the brain after death?" News-Medical.Net (2019) / ScienceDirect research.
  8. Studies suggest that all consciousness and sensory awareness are lost almost immediately after brain death (decapitation/anoxia), with electrical activity in the brain ceasing completely.
  9. Uniform Determination of Death Act (UDDA) (1981/1983).
  10. Legally recognized in many countries, this act defines death as the irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, equating brain death with the end of the person. 
  11. jamanetwork.com +5

Contextual Note: While some researchers investigate Near-Death Experiences (NDEs) and temporary bursts of brain activity (gamma oscillations) during cardiac arrest, the predominant scientific consensus remains that consciousness terminates once brain death is complete.


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@Debby

those are just opinions of people. I couldnt care less about what some second class scientist thinks. He doesnt even know what awareness is, to be able to relate it to pure matter.

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@SatanLucy

You can always counter with opposing citations.

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#7 •••
@Debby

dont need to. You might as well quote cartoon citations.

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@SatanLucy
dont need to. You might as well quote cartoon citations.


Contextual Note: While some researchers investigate Near-Death Experiences (NDEs) and temporary bursts of brain activity (gamma oscillations) during cardiac arrest, the predominant scientific consensus remains that consciousness terminates once brain death is complete.

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#9 •••
@Sovereign

The biological SSD creates the illusion of existence.

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@Debby
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@wylted
None of those studies has researchers actually kill themselves so they can see first hand if consciousness ends. They are assuming it. 


I can actually show you a study where the researchers dies and comes back and then talks about what happens to consciousness and that study is called the Bible and the reaearcher is my lord and Savior Jesus Christ

Humans have to earn that gift before they can come back from the dead with their brain fully intact.

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@Debby
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@wylted

Humans have to earn that gift before they can come back from the dead with their brain fully intact.


It's unearned but this is not about returning but how consciousness stayed in tact the 3 days the researcher was biologically dead

No brain scan was done to prove the state of the brain. Resurrection is a very very rare state. It’s a godlike quality.

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@wylted
None of those studies has researchers actually kill themselves so they can see first hand if consciousness ends. They are assuming it.

I can actually show you a study where the researchers dies and comes back and then talks about what happens to consciousness and that study is called the Bible and the reaearcher is my lord and Savior Jesus Christ


This is actually a hilarious response. 10/10, no notes


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@Alyssa

Unfortunately he has no other examples to back his position. The resurrection of Jesus was one of a kind never to be repeated again.

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@Debby
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If Jesus paved the path for resurrection then he is the only human to walk on that path. The lack of other resurrection cases questions his motives.

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