What is civilization? The 5-level civ

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Kardaschev's level-5 civ is universal in scope, purpose, and accomplishment. Its abilities begin to appear god-like, and are. Who said it was ever possible for man to become god? Well, for one, God did. Also, the ancient Egyptians thought so. I suggest reading the Egyptian Book of the Dead. There's an English translation by E.A. Wallis Budge, and Egyptologist of the early 20th century. It is a worthy read. It is more appropriately titled "Spells for Coming Forth by Day." It is about resurrecting in perfection. Abraham taught the Egyptians when he sojourned there, and they learned and absorbed much from him, and pattered their tremples of the middle kingdom-dynasties according to his instruction.


Don't know if Kardashev ever read any of this re: ancient Egypt, he doesn't seem to mention.


The level-5 civilization is learning to to manipulate matter and energy and to create both at atomic level to bring order out of chaos. That is the better understranding of what creation is: organization of matter and energy; not creation from nothing. Looked at from that perspective, creation does not sound like magic, but merely learning higher levels of knowledge than man can conceive.


In tyhefirst of this series, level-0, I mentioned eight steps of kazdaaschev's levels of civilization. I meant 7, which means there are 2 levels to go.



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@fauxlaw

The Kardaschev Scale only goes to 3. In a finite universe, a Type 4 civilization could mean a civilization that consumes the power output of an entire universe, in an infinite universe, even that is impossible. There is absolutely no sense in going beyond that, not for real world purposes.

Anything beyond Type 2 is already a stretch, Type 3 and 4 may be possible if FTL is possible, but beyond that is the realm of science fiction. We're talking parallel universes, universes that are completely different from our own and what not. Everything past Type 4 is pure imagination, maybe with smidges of misunderstood science mixed in there.

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@FLRW

Seven levels in 3 types,

but then, I do not believe in limited progress as I do not believe there is an end to knowledge, and further, no end to wisdom, which is just knowledge used to its best, infinite use.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

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Not all knowledge is progressive. We could stop at any level and claim satisfaction.

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