People don't believe in truth, they believe in what they want to be true

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@SatanLucy


Well stated.

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@SatanLucy

I do not wish for your arguments here to ve true... whence, they are not true

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@linate

Well, unless the instigator is just messing about, then an opinionated argument will always be true, even if the argument is unverifiable or factually incorrect.


Nonetheless, even deliberate messing about comes weighted with truthful intent...Cause, rather than randomness.

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"The truth is out there."

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@SatanLucy
What I see constantly is that people don't actually care about truth.


The test of whether someone cares about truth is whether they treat logic and critical thinking as subjects on their own worth studying in the abstract, or whether they only absorb logical concepts during the course of trying to prove their points.


One of the biggest giveaways that someone fails this test is when you present an analogy and they accuse you of trying to change the subject.

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@Double_R
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@SatanLucy
If they want something to be true, they will take tiniest argument in favor of it over countless arguments opposing it.

I don't think this is accurate. People are wrong about stuff, but it's not always in the direction of optimism. Most people want the economy to be doing well and that the world is doing great, yet they have no problem believing that the economy is terrible and everything sucks. Which to some extent is true. But if everyone just believed that what they wanted to be true was true, we should expect everyone to be super optimistic about the economy and the government and the world in general, which they pretty clearly aren't.

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@Savant
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@SatanLucy
Nah, people actually prefer believing in pessimism.

Um, the definition of pessimism is believing things aren't going to be how you want them.


Your argument was about people "wanting something to be true." Even if people wanted to believe the world sucks, they don't want it to be true that the world sucks.


Just listing a bunch of false beliefs doesn't really support your claim, especially since you're cherry picking. If people never considered evidence, no one would learn anything and we'd reach an information heat death. In fact, you'd have no way of knowing your claims are based on evidence, so it's a bit self defeating.

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@Savant
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@SatanLucy
it still can mean people wanting world to be the way some other part of them doesn't want

Well if people "want" multiple contradicting things, then your claim is true but vacuous. Of course people believe what they want because they want everything. And if they change their mind then the new belief will still happen to be what they want.


I would say people cannot believe in things they don't want to believe in, as that is a logical contradiction. So believing requires some form of wanting to believe in, and this is true even in case of evidence.

People can be motivated by learning (i.e. want to believe whatever the objective truth is even if it's bad), since delusion is typically not useful. So I guess your statement is technically correct, but it could just mean people are being rational and considering evidence fairly.


I didn't say people never consider evidence. I said people consider evidence only when they want to.

I mean that's effectively the same thing. If this was true it would be impossible to learn anything, we'd just believe what we want as long as there's minimal justification for it and then never stray from that.

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@Savant
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@SatanLucy

If you believe what you want, then it doesn't correlate to what's true.

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@SatanLucy

I agree they could accidentally be right, but if they are right randomly they're not learning because they won't be more consistently right over time, they will continue being right at the rate of chance. Which is what "not correlated" means.

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@Savant
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@SatanLucy

The truth brings you closer to reality.

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