What if U.S. Billionaires were charged at 100% of their annual taxable income?

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#1 β€’β€’β€’

What if U.S. Billionaires were charged at 100% of their annual taxable income? How about 63x their annual taxable income?


There are about 989 U.S. citizens who deserve the label: "billionaire."

https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/


20% of that number, 198, are at or beyond 80 years of age, but we'll not use that reduction in these calculations, just to maximize the dire straits the woke2 are who believe billionaires should "pay their fair share" in income taxes to increase tax revenue.


The average taxable annual income of U.S. billionaires is $99M

https://fortune.com/2025/09/04/americas-billionaires-are-older-than-ever-with-one-in-five-already-in-their-80s-or-90s-as-millennials-await-the-great-wealth-transfer/


The current annual spending by the US government is $6.2T

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/federal-spending/


At the avg billionaire annual taxable income of $99M, 989 of them would pay $98B, collectively, towared the annual US government payout of $6.2T. That's just a little bit shy of the total nut, isn't it? And you, who ask that they must pay "their fair share" would take 100% of their taxable income, not just an elevated amount you claim is "a fair share."


Don't you think, if you did, that our 989 billionaires wouild need to fork over more than a fair share, because what you are asking is that "their fair share" needs to be 63x their average annual taxable income at a 100% tax rate. How "fair" is that?


And that 63x doesn't even cover your demands of "medicare for everyone," let alone coverage of any other DSA demand. Y'all truly flunked math.



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#2 β€’β€’β€’

Billionaires have not been paying their fair share of taxes for decades. Even if they start paying it today, i5 will take years to recover the loss revenue.

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#3 β€’β€’β€’
@fauxlaw

All you'd have to do is increase all taxes ten percent, cut spending ten percent, implement a two percent wealth tax on the top two percent of wealth, ad the deficit would mostly be under control. No need to rob the wealthy blind.


Also every developed country but us spends around ten percent of their gdp on universal healthcare. They also usually have less wait times to see a doctor. We spend 18 percent of ours and dont cover everyone. The difference is we could saving over a trillion a year on healthcare. To act like we just cant afford universal healthcare is just dead wrong and ignorant.

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#4 β€’β€’β€’
Also every developed country but us spends around ten percent of their gdp on universal healthcare.Β 


The average population of develped countries of the world is all of 35M. The U.S. is nearly 10x that population. And our medical costs per capita is double that of any other country in the world, over $15,000 per capita, and about 18% of our GDP. Simple said, the US cannot afford a single payer [the govcernment] system for every citizen, let alone all the illegals. End of discussion.

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#5 β€’β€’β€’

That is why your national debt is 40 trillion dollars.

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#6 β€’β€’β€’
@fauxlaw

All you did is merely assert we have expensive Healthcare and cant afford universal care as if your assertion is an argument. Why would adding more people in our country compared to other countries change anything? To me if anything it adds economy of scale and if we did it right could bring down costs even more. Medical costs are too high in this country where 80 of us costing too much is due to that. That's a fixable problem if we follow cost controls like every other developed country. Also insurance companies are a middle man who add 30 percent of every dollar on administrative waste and profit, pointless expenses. Insurance can be minimized is my point.


Also you've pointed out other big countries who provide Healthcare as if that proves we can't do it. Why not? Every other deceloped country spends half as much as us including places like China and India and Russia. If they can do it so can we


Im providing actual arguments all you are providing is empty assertions

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#7 β€’β€’β€’
@linate
Medical costs are too high in this country where 80 of us costing too much is due to that.


That's a problem that started around when you guys made emergency healthcare free to the poor back in the late 1980's. Before then, your costs were way way lower. You got the 80 number right. When the government started passing bills to use taxes to keep the hospitals from closing up, that's when the costs REALLY took off, because the government dosn't know how to spend money like an individual does. The hospitals encouraged costly procedures since the government wasn't ever going to say no.


If you want prices to go back to before then, you have to eliminate this problem. If you want to give welfare to the poor, give them cash directly for healthcare, and if the poor choose to blow the money on drugs and fast food and they die, ce la vie. Government should not be making robotic choices for basic life choices. Do not EVER give it to the hospitals! (or insurance companies)... that's how you get out of control services and costs.


Every other developed country spends half as much as us including places like China and India and Russia. If they can do it so can we


These are countries that CAN say no to hospitals asking for outrageous amounts of money because, in a more totalitarian government, there is no consequence for breaking a promise to provide the best healthcare for everyone. Everyone gets the minimum standard, no matter how long it takes. So if you want government healthcare, you need a more totalitarian government to make it happen where they can say "no" without fear of electoral consequences. Your government is so soft today, it's too afraid to say "NO" to ANYTHING, no matter how outrageous the expenditure. If that's the tradeoff you want, sure.

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#8 β€’β€’β€’

There is a lack of competition for healthcare and medicine in America that is why the prices are so high.

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#9 β€’β€’β€’
@Shoresy

I would agree that the brutal truth is that some poorer and remote hospitals should probably just go out of business. Ive said this before and ive been ostracized for it but its true. Am I being unrealistic to expect the usa to be able to do what's necessary to let them die? Thats an important question and it highlights that our country us trying to undo a multi trillion status quo whereas every other country developed reasonable standards organically. I might be being naive to think we will let them die out but I think its possible, maybe each side of politics can blame the other side for why they're going outta business. Our country tends to find a way to stop wasteful spending one way or another. I hope im right about this cause its kinda a critical point. I also think given the government subsidies remote hospitals that maybe itd be limited enough if we do subsidize them that it wouldn't bankrupt us. I hope im right about that

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#10 β€’β€’β€’

I think your basic intuition is reasonable, but I would modify one important part of it.


The realistic American outcome probably isn't β€œwe finally decide these hospitals should die and stop subsidizing them.” It's more likely:


> We gradually stop trying to preserve every full-service hospital, allow some to close or convert, and subsidize a smaller set of essential services where the alternative is unacceptable.




And there is already evidence that the system is moving somewhat in that direction.


You're right that the status quo is enormous


Hospital care is an extraordinarily large part of the American economy. In 2022, hospital services alone accounted for about $1.38 trillion, nearly one-third of all U.S. health spending.


So you're identifying a real political-economy problem: you're not simply designing an efficient health system from scratch. You're trying to restructure an enormous existing industry with communities, jobs, hospitals, physicians, unions, insurers, politicians, and patients all having reasons to resist contraction.


That makes your skepticism about whether America can actually let things disappear quite justified.


But America already lets hospitals die


This is the part that makes me somewhat more optimistic than you might expect.


Hospital closure isn't some theoretical possibility. 118 hospitals closed nationwide between FY2019 and FY2023, and urban hospitals actually closed faster than they opened during that period.


And rural hospitals have been closing for decades. The government has repeatedly tried to mitigate the consequences rather than guarantee the survival of every institution. GAO has actually recommended approaches in which, when a hospital isn't viable, public resources could instead support things such as transportation or alternative emergency-care arrangements.


That's pretty close to the philosophy you're describing.


The really important distinction is hospital vs. health care


I think this is where your argument becomes strongest.


Suppose a remote town has a hospital with:


12 inpatient beds


an emergency department


very low utilization


enormous fixed costs


difficulty recruiting specialists


aging infrastructure



It doesn't necessarily follow that the community needs that hospital.


It might need:


24/7 emergency stabilization + ambulance service + primary care + telemedicine + periodic specialty clinics + transportation to a regional hospital.


That's a very different proposition.


And Medicare has already created a mechanism explicitly reflecting this idea: the Rural Emergency Hospital designation. A small rural hospital can stop providing inpatient care and instead receive a fixed Medicare payment for maintaining emergency and outpatient capacity. MedPAC reports that the fixed payment is equivalent to about $3.4 million annually in 2025, plus enhanced outpatient payments.


That's essentially government saying:


> We don't necessarily need you to remain a conventional hospital, but we do need somebody there to provide essential emergency care.




I think that's probably a much more sustainable model.


And you're right that subsidies don't necessarily have to bankrupt us


This is probably the part of your argument I'd be most optimistic about.


The subsidies are significant, but the question isn't simply β€œDo we subsidize rural hospitals?” It's:


> How much would it cost to provide the minimum medically necessary infrastructure to these communities compared with maintaining thousands of full-service institutions?




Those aren't remotely the same question.


For example, MedPAC found that Critical Access Hospitals receive substantially higher Medicare payments because they are reimbursed on a cost basis. In 2022, the additional Medicare spending associated with this arrangement was substantialβ€”particularly for outpatient and swing-bed services.


But that doesn't mean the rational alternative is zero subsidy.


It could mean:


Current system:

$ β†’ preserve hospital β†’ preserve inpatient beds β†’ preserve expensive infrastructure β†’ preserve everything


Potential future system:

$ β†’ preserve emergency capability β†’ preserve basic outpatient care β†’ subsidize transportation/telehealth β†’ consolidate complicated care regionally


That could actually be cheaper while preserving the things people genuinely need.


And there's a broader reason to think government can make these kinds of reallocations. GAO estimated in 2026 that addressing various government inefficiencies could produce tens of billions of dollars in financial benefits, including nearly $157 billion over ten years from one Medicare payment reform recommendation.


Where I think you might be slightly naive


I'd be cautious about assuming that economic inefficiency alone will eventually overcome political resistance.


America has a remarkable ability to maintain inefficient institutions for decades when they are politically important.


A hospital isn't just a medical facility. In a small town it's often:


one of the largest employers


a source of local prestige


a major taxpayer


politically powerful


psychologically associated with community survival



So when someone proposes closing it, the political response isn't necessarily:


> "This hospital is economically obsolete."




It's:


> "You're killing our town."




That's an extremely powerful political argument.


And both parties can participate in preserving the status quo for different reasons.


But your deeper point is important


I think you're onto something when you say that the United States doesn't necessarily need to solve the entire problem in one grand reform.


It could happen incrementally.


Hospital A loses money β†’ eventually closes.


Hospital B converts to a Rural Emergency Hospital.


Hospital C gets bought by a larger regional system.


Hospital D consolidates its surgery department.


Hospital E becomes primarily outpatient.


Hospital F survives because it's genuinely essential.


Over 20 years, you can get a dramatically different health-care geography without Congress ever passing a law saying "we are restructuring American hospitals."


That's actually a very American way for reform to happen.


And the evidence suggests that process is already occurring.


So I'd rate your thesis this way


β€œAmerica will eventually allow some uneconomic rural hospitals to disappear.”


Very plausible.


β€œAmerica will stop subsidizing rural hospitals altogether.”


Unlikely and probably undesirable.


β€œAmerica could substantially reduce the amount of money spent preserving full-service hospitals while maintaining essential health access through smaller facilities, regionalization, transportation and telemedicine.”


Very plausibleβ€”and arguably the most rational direction.


β€œThe resulting subsidies would necessarily bankrupt the country.”


No. That's much too pessimistic.


In fact, I think the best version of your argument isn't that America needs to become heartless enough to let hospitals die.


It's that we need to become sophisticated enough to distinguish between preserving a hospital and preserving access to health care.


That distinction could allow the U.S. to let genuinely uneconomic institutions disappear without abandoning the people who depend on them. And that's a much more politically achievable proposition.

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@linate

So do you want that tradeoff? A more authoritarian government, like the EU that can say no to subsidy recipients?


Just so they can force you to have standardized care because you refused to save up for it like before the 1980's?


Or do you prefer direct cash payments to the poor where the government doesn't have to say no to ANYONE.

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#12 β€’β€’β€’

Trump offered each voter who votes republican 5000$.

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#13 β€’β€’β€’
@linate
All you did is merely assert we have expensive Healthcare and cant afford universal care as if your assertion is an argument.Β 


So, you claim expensive healthcare is not an argument, but that we can afford it if other big countries can? Which one? India? Nope, their healthcare is not universal healthcare such as Democrats have sought since at least Johnson. China? Yeah, for the East Coast. Granted, that's where mos Chinese live, but, the rest of Chi9na, it's not "univerxsal" covereage. Have you ever lived in China? I have, and all I can say is that I'm fortunate to have nevder nweeded a doctor.


And let's not forget that ourpopulation is not 340M, but that Biden opened the floodgates for undocumented, illegal aliens of at least 20M.


Meanwhil, the fourth lartgesty population, Indonesia, at 290M, is sub-average compared to typical universal healthcare in less popuoated countries, demonstrating, as in China and the US, that universal healthcare is not optimum healthcare. Those countries under 100M in total uni healthcare seerm to hanfle it. Seem.


Net result: population is a detriment to universal healthcare.

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#14 β€’β€’β€’
@fauxlaw
Net result: population is a detriment to universal healthcare.


Sure... Let's take a few poor large countries with imperfect healthcare systems and blame it on the population.

You are ignoring the cosmic differences in wealth, income, healthcare spending, institutions etc.

Your conclusion is lazy at best


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#15 β€’β€’β€’
@UmbrellaCorp

Yes, let's blame it on Owls, the hooting f**kers.


And for sure, all Thargians on Planet Wheeee in the Vetrillion sector of the Hoooli Booli Galaxy earn 1000 Thargian ploobs per hour...Bearing in mind that there are 66 hours in a Wheeee day and most folk work 22 hour shifts on a rotating 3 day on 3 day off, 3 shift pattern.


Healthcare is free because Thargians are taught in school not to be factional, selfish, uncaring, lazy arseholes.


Which just goes to prove that if you don't teach your kids nonsense, then a Planet can be a far better place to live.

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#16 β€’β€’β€’

Seems like people like authoritarians. Who coulda guessed?

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#17 β€’β€’β€’

Americans live under the constitution.

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#18 β€’β€’β€’
@UmbrellaCorp

Have you ever spent any extended time in China or India? How about Indonesia, 4th largest in population in the world? You live in Germany? I've been there, and France and Italy, and a few other European countries. Lived in France for a few years in Provence [and spent 3 weeks in a hospital, there], and I've also logged significant time in China and Indonesdia, but less in India, but more, I'll wager, than most of my compatriots. I've been in about 40 of our 50 states and about 30 countries in the world, the great majority of which have much smaller populations than mine, and much worse healthcare based on observati9n of residents.


"You are ignoring the cosmic differences in wealth, income, healthcare spending, institutions etc."


Am I? Due to the above, you are throwng stones in the water, and they all sink. Try tossng flowers.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#19 β€’β€’β€’

America has the worst healthcare among developed countries. It ranked last overall among ten wealthy industrialized countries including Australia, UK, Germany and Canada. The U.S. ranked 33 rd in health out of global nations evaluated in the health subcategory.

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#20 β€’β€’β€’
@UmbrellaCorp
Let's take a few poor large countries with imperfect healthcare systems and blame it on the population.


Let's? You completely misunderstand me. I don't bame the populations. I blame the whackos who think universal, single-payer [which is not at all single-payer] source of payment for healthcare. I remember when healthcare was a doctor making home visits to care for patients. We [my parents] paid him directly - no insurance company to intervene. I do not yet see why that system had to disappear, but it did, at leadst in CA.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#21 β€’β€’β€’

California healthcare system is facing a massive crisis driven by deep federal Medicaid cuts.

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#22 β€’β€’β€’
@fauxlaw

That system did not disappear, you can still have a doctor come to you if you can afford it. But, in general, healthcare in the US is really expensive, which means that some people can not afford it. That's why you have medicaid programs such as california's to help the poor bastards. Furthermore, medi-cal is nothing like the universal healthcare we have in continental europe. Different things. Medicaid programs are government funded whereas universal healthcare is a country-wide compulsory health insurance structure, not government-funded as medi-cal.

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#23 β€’β€’β€’
@UmbrellaCorp

America is still stuck with the healthcare for profit model and will not move towards universal healthcare like all the developed countries have.

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#24 β€’β€’β€’
@UmbrellaCorp
...whereas universal healthcare is a country-wide compulsory health insurance structure, not government-funded as medi-cal.Β 


You have, in Europe, depending on specific nations, two separate systems.


  1. Compulsory healthcare is funded by direct population taxation. Hospitals are usually publicly owned, and healthcare workers are government employees.
  2. Compulsory healthcare by payroll deductions and social security contributions. Healthcare is delivered by independent providers, but prices are strictly regulated by the government.


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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#25 β€’β€’β€’

America has neither system. Healthcare is a for profit scheme.

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#26 β€’β€’β€’

Debby,


Healthcare is a for profit scheme.


And...?


Healthcare is a commodity just ike food and clothing and shelter. One gets what one pays for, yes? And jut because I am retired does not mean that my healthcare is now free of charge, although I am healthy, so I am satisfied overall with the system.



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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#27 β€’β€’β€’

Read the news. Millions cannot afford health or are getting kicked out of the health insurance program.

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#28 β€’β€’β€’
@fauxlaw
Y'all truly flunked math.


Tell me more about where Elon was going to find that $2T in waste fraud and abuse again.

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#29 β€’β€’β€’

Billionaires leave, economy go bye-bye.


That’s my expert analysis.

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I still don’t know what to type!

#30 β€’β€’β€’

You need billionaires to boost the economy.

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