Liberals be crazy

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@Double_R
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@RemyBrown
It's a strong enough deterrence to where I would call it protection.


The conversation was about what would protect us in the event Putin decided to call NATO' s bluff, so that's irrelevant.


as long as Russia exists, you can only deter even if the US spends $1 trillion on Ukraine.


As I already explained, spending money on Ukraine wasn't about deterrence, it was about diverting Russia's attention, depleting their resources and weakening Putin's power in the process. And by all accounts, it was working.


NATO has retained all of it's current members, so I don't believe we are weaker from that aspect.


Then you don't understand what it is or how it works. There is no governing body forcing any nation to live up to its obligations because that's not how geopolitics works. NATO is fundamentally built on the trust that each nation will live up to its obligations in the event it's necessary, and Donald Trump has weakened that trust tremendously. This is what's emboldening Putin, and in fact his expectation that the US under Trump would pull out off NATO or at the least weaken it from within remains the best explanation as to why he didn't invade Ukraine in Trump's first term.


That trust was recoverable after his first term as Trump's victory could have been easily written off as an anomaly, but 2024 showed it was not.


If a leader wants power, then why would any world leader have an incentive to be honest about election results if they lose? None. What incentive do they have to lie? Power; money; validation from their constituents.


There's just no way you're being serious.


Elections do not depend on the leader's honesty, that's absurd. Every Democratic nation has checks in place to ensure a legitimate vote beyond "the president says he won".


The pollsters probably told him that if he calls them rigged, then they would make sure he "disappears". So his keep his mouth shut on the rigged election to save his skin.


Do you have a shred of evidence to support any of this?


No, of course you don't.


The world is pretty dishonest because there is an incentive to be dishonest.


How old are you? You sound like a teenager who's never left the house and gets all their information from tik tok.


Dishonesty, especially to get ahead in life is an inherent part of human nature. We know this, so we purposefully built systems that take it into account.


In science we rely on the peer review process, where it is the literal job of other experts to test your findings and find something wrong with it. In police departments we created internal affairs, who's job it is to find wrongdoing of other officers. In journalism, the person who breaks the corruption story gets all the credit (think Watergate). In elections, the person on the ticket has no place within the process by which the ballots are counted.


You act like our entire system is built on just trusting whoever is in charge, which is remarkably ignorant.

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Mutual destruction

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#34 •••
@Double_R

NATO came to Americas defense after 9/11.

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@Debby
NATO came to Americas defense after 9/11.


Your point?

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