Is cancel culture left-wing or bipartisan?

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So I've always understood canceling to refer to ostracism of prominent figures for perceived political incorrectness, and have viewed it as something the left mostly engages in. But increasingly I've heard people accusing the Trump administration of "canceling" Jimmy Kimmel and other figures, and also accusing JD Vance of encouraging the cancellation of anyone making inappropriate remarks about Charlie Kirk's killing.


Which leaves me wondering. Is canceling only ever something that happens to people not adhering to left-wing political correctness? What if someone is fired, shunned, boycotted, whatever, for not adhering to right-wing political correctness? Is this also cancel culture, or should we use a different word for it -- plain old censorship or suppression or ostracism -- because it's not coming from a place of sensitivity to minorities?

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#2 •••

It depends on whether it is woke or not. Cancel culture was always associated with wokeness which of course is left wing, however if we treat the act of cancelling someone on its own than yeah definitely bipartisan

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#3 •••
@Wryly

Technically bipartisan,

Recent history has leant Left though I think, in the publics mind.


The definitions and examples of such are not very clear in my mind.

'Most cultures I think, tend to be outspoken against cultures they dislike or think morally wrong.


Being against violent video games or movies, feels a bit Right,

But then, being against scantily clad women in video games like Mortal Kombat. . .

Hm, different 'reasons maybe.

Right: Showing and Leering over women is morally wrong according to traditional morals.

Left: Depicting women in such a way is degrading towards women, and is not doubt a plan of the patriarchy.


. . . It's a bit of 'established norms, vs new norms I suppose.


The Left, tear down historical statues, spit on founders of universities, write history to castigate America more, take a knee at football games.

They are cancelling out the norm culture.


Right members protesting drag show or something, would technically be cancel culture I'd 'think, but it's not such a social norm maybe.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancel_culture

Hm, politically incorrect speech, cancelling careers, widespread protest.

Protesting just has a 'sense of being more 'Left I suppose.

Sometimes I get a sense of people with too much time on their hands.


Don Imus, Stuart Baker, Jordan Peterson at campus's, Punch a Nazi, Gay wedding cake.

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Not that some things 'shouldn't be protested.

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Hm, I didn't really care about Papa Johns personal views, I buy a pizza if I like to eat it or not,

It would be a lot of work to vet 'everything I consume.

Separate the work from the artist.


Didn't really pay attention to the Harvey Weinstein situation, but from what I vaguely know, I'm glad that guy got cancelled.

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Just been more activity or visible of Left and actions and news networks on the left for a while and big social changes, changes in laws and values.

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#4 •••

I never heard of cancel culture until Liberal Democrats started going after people for something they said or did years or even decades ago. Now its being used against them. What comes around goes around.

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#5 •••
@Wryly

It’s definitely a universal thing, very few people are actually principled believers in free speech. We’re extremely lucky the founders were wise enough to write it down


based on surveys I’ve seen on attitudes (ie if it’s acceptable for certain people to speak, if you accept free speech period, etc) it is almost certainly more common on the left. And the “left” (really deranged social media users with botted likes we for some reason gave credence to) were cancelling normal people for stuff that either was an apology level offense like having a negative interaction with a person of a different race literally one time, or expressing a viewpoint supported by ~40% of the country, not celebrating a politically motivated assassination


but the right does it too. Look at the Dixie chicks. They were totally right. I think we all need to just choke down the norm that what you say off the clock is none of your works concern even if it’s grotesque.


I don’t know if I think Kimmel should’ve been pulled immediately like that but he did knowingly lie about a hot button issue for no real reason on public airwaves. I don’t really have sympathy for him

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#6 •••
@Wryly

The right is canceling people for supporting murder and the left for edgy takes from. 15 years ago so it's both cancel culture but it's not exactly equal

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@Thett3
It’s definitely a universal thing, very few people are actually principled believers in free speech. We’re extremely lucky the founders were wise enough to write it down

It's silly to be principles about it. It's like people principled about non violence. How many times do you have to be punched in the face before you put that tool in your tool box.


I think the sensible thing is to occasionally have a dictator who comes in and kicks the teeth in on people who don't play fair and maybe allow this for a while before returning to normal and liberals will take advantage of the normalcy to do crazy evil things again and then you grant a temporary dictator to deal with their evil and return to freedom again.

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#8 •••

Course, Government Cancelling is different than Society Cancelling.

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A couple of years ago it was far, far more common on the left than on the right. It wasn't even close. But the right has definitely started to appropriate the idea with the whole Charlie Kirk business and whatnot, like it appropriated being a hippie or an anti-vaxxer.


While to a certain degree canceling someone has the same pro-democracy logic of a lynch mob which outnumbers its lonely victim, a lot of it is institutional.

In general, the right hasn't cared as much about activism or making their voices heard; you only really know which political camp is more popular the day after an election. But if you were a big company trying to score brownie points with the most people while offending the least people, on any random day of the year, how could you tell? Well, obviously, you'd take the opinions you can hear the largest number of people spouting and assume that's what the majority thinks. And so, cancel culture favors whoever can scream the loudest - which is to say, whichever side can motivate the most people to get out and make noise. Until recently, that was the left. Combine this right-wing apathy with an understandable fear that screaming in the wrong direction might render yours the next head on the chopping block, and you get a self-reinforcing phenomenon.


But I suspect Trump winning last year fundamentally changed the game. The right is more comfortable thinking they have the power to cancel people, and companies are more likely to take right-wing cancel mobs seriously, perhaps due to Trump's willingness to weaponize the presidency against whoever pisses him/his voter base off.


Personally I think this sucks no matter who is doing it. You should be allowed to say what you want on your private time without fearing that a target will be placed on your back for exercising this basic right.

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@bubbatheclown
But I suspect Trump winning last year fundamentally changed the game.


The Bud Light cultural revolt predated your election. Things were happening even while many were betting Trump had no chance. I suspect what really changed the game was an attack on the American identity, which to me is highly ironic considering Bud Light isn't even an American company! I suspect Trump is simply riding the popular wave of that. From up here, it just looks like folks got bent over a “national” beer that’s brewed by Belgians! Regardless, companies are taking note and applying the cancel where the wind seems to be blowing today.

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@Thett3

Seems to me your political right only gets worked up when their American identity gets attacked. I had to look up what you were saying about the Dixie Chicks, and yeah, opposing your Iraq war only a year away from your 9/11 attack probably tracks with the outrage over Bud Light removing straight males from advertising. And the Kirk assassination tracks as well as an attack on a straight Christian family man. That identity is what your right is willing to cancel over. Anything that could even look like "anti-American" which I also find highly humorous and ironic.

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@sadolite
I never heard of cancel culture until Liberal Democrats started going after people for something they said or did years or even decades ago. Now its being used against them. What comes around goes around.


You never heard of it until conservatives realized they could take something that was neither new nor unexpected within a civilized society and utilize their victimhood complex to weaponize it for political gain.


Since the days of Newt Gingrich or even Reagan conservative politics has revolved around the demonization of certain groups, so of course they were more likely to say something offensive that would get them cancelled. That's not political warfare, it's cause and effect, a concept most right wingers these days have no understanding of.

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@victor
The right is canceling people for supporting murder and the left for edgy takes from. 15 years ago so it's both cancel culture but it's not exactly equal


The right cancelled Bud Light for a social media post commemorating a trans person and Cracker Barrel for changing their logo. But tell me more about their high ground on this issue.

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#14 •••

"Bipartisan" assumes there are only two sides. This is a bigger problem than being "bisexual" as the right and the left aren't monoliths. I think the correct word is "nonpartisan". Cancel culture has been around since the beginning of organized government. From whatever happened in the Chinese cultural revolution, to the Brits shoehorning negative reception upon one of the founders of computer science by being homophobic, to denominations being kicked out of the religion they used to belong to and call their brethren, Isn't there something in common?


You can't say something is "left wing" just because the left has been using it more often. This is similar to how you can't just say bread and potatoes are Russian just because Russians are depicted to be eating them frequently. No one or one group should get the monopoly of cancelling others. More ideally, no one or one group should be cancelling others the way we have been doing for millennia.

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