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@RemyBrown

Trans rights = the right to make people say what YOU want them to say + cancel anyone who doesn't agree with you

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@RemyBrown

I am trans age and partly trans gender (mix of male and female characteristics). I personally dont care if you misgender me. After all the things people told me in life, I am sure misgendering is the lesser evil on the list.

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@SatanLucy
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@RemyBrown

He has change more than most people.

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@RemyBrown

If people like this go so far to just assume hate and not just assume good faith, then who is really the hate group

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@RemyBrown
You claim SDP hates trans people.


He does, a lot. Its obvious even without me claiming it.

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@SatanLucy

Give him some time. He will come around. Haters always end badly.

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@Debby, @SatanLucy

Love the sinner, hate the sin

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@SomeDebatePerson

Hint: What you think is "love" and "help" is actually just hate and being annoying.

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@SatanLucy

Love = hate, in your book. No wonder love is love is their favorite saying.

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@SomeDebatePerson
Love = hate, in your book


No. Your love = hate.

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@RemyBrown
Trans people have earned their hatred from their consistent bad faith arguments.


I dont know how did I earn to be hated. If you believe in free speech, you logically cannot hate me (in any meaningful sense of that word) for my speech or consider that I shouldnt be allowed to say what I say.


But its obvious people here would violate trans rights if they had any power to do so. So I just use free speech to point to obvious.


this isnt to say you cant misgender or mis-age me. Many people do. I dont care. What I do care about is obvious desire to oppress trans people, and I am not talking about any misgendering or pretending to love someone you keep mocking, but obvious desire to ban trans people, to ban them from expressing themselves.


In the same way they want to ban trans from schools, not allow trans children to even think of themselves as trans and force them to therapy, there is an obvious movement to remove any trans expression from public.


Of course, such movement will fail miserably because trans people wont simply disappear as many wish, so the movement has a goal it cannot achieve. All it will achieve is expose its own hate masked as love, its own oppression masked as protection.

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@RemyBrown

Why is he an exception?

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@RemyBrown
You're allowed to think you're trans. You are allowed to say you're trans. People are allowed to say that you're delusional


If it was merely that, it would be less of an issue. trans kids get bullied all the time and everywhere, and its not good for them. Its not just verbal bullying (which you consider protected by free speech, but still harmful for kid's mental health), but physical bullying too (which isnt protected by free speech). You keep seeing trans people get physically attacked in virtually every country outside EU and even in EU, I see cases like in Germany where person gets thrown outside the house by parents to be homeless just for being trans.

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@SatanLucy

It’s certainly not a safe career path.

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@RemyBrown

Trans people receive the same protection under the law.

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@RemyBrown
Trans rights are stupid because they violate free speech.


Can you provide an actual, legitimate example of this?



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@Double_R

It is actually the opposite. Trans free speech rights are being violated.

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@RemyBrown

Transgender free speech rights are being violated through a combination of state-level legislative bans on expression, the silencing of trans voices in public and educational settings, and targeted harassment that chills their ability to speak openly about their identity

These violations frequently intersect with, and are often enabled by, government actions that restrict the visibility of LGBTQ+ individuals in public life. 

Key areas where trans free speech rights are being violated:

  1. Public Speaking and Assembly Bans:
  2. In some cases, broad, vaguely worded laws targeting drag performances have been utilized to restrict transgender individuals from speaking in public spaces.
  3. For example, a Montana law was used to ban a transgender person from speaking about the history of two-spirit people at a public library during Pride month, while similar, non-trans speakers were not restricted.
  4. State legislators have also moved to silence trans individuals, such as in Montana, where state representative and trans woman Zooey Zephyr was banned from the chamber for the rest of the session after speaking against a bill restricting gender-affirming care.
  5. Educational Content and School Censorship:
  6. "Don't Say Gay" laws and similar legislation have been used to eliminate references to LGBTQ+ individuals in schools, creating a chilling effect on the speech of educators and students.
  7. Lawmakers are increasingly banning books and educational materials that discuss gender identity, restricting the freedom to impart and receive information.
  8. Trans students and educators face restrictions on discussing their own identities or using their preferred pronouns in school settings.
  9. Forced Silence through Harassment:
  10. Government officials have used dehumanizing language—such as referring to transgender individuals as "demons" or "mutants"—which intimidates vulnerable communities into silence.
  11. The use of the term "groomer" by public officials to describe LGBTQ+ people normalizes discrimination and creates a hostile environment that limits open expression.
  12. Legal Restrictions on Identity Expression:
  13. Attempts to ban transgender people from using restrooms consistent with their gender identity are described as a restriction on their public presence and ability to exist in public spaces.
  14. In some jurisdictions, there are attempts to prevent transgender people from sharing their pronouns. 

Intersection with "Cancel Culture" Debate

While some discourse centers on the "cancel culture" backlash regarding the rights of those with opposing views (e.g., gender-critical viewpoints), reports indicate that the most severe, government-enforced suppression of speech is targeting transgender individuals themselves. This includes threats to ban them from social media or eliminate their content from public view. 


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