Was Hitler really that bad?

I used to read Hitler's books, and I think he was corrupt before getting power.

I mean, he said a lot of things in his books which were clearly pro-genocide even before he got power.

He praised Sparta for killing children with disabilities, saying "they were doing those children a favor", and "it was more merciful than what countries do now".

And also, he said "I dont see why man shouldnt be as cruel as nature".

But people in 1933 werent smart and they thought he was making a joke when he said those things.

While Hitler often used extreme, violent rhetoric that some contemporaries might have initially dismissed as hyperbole or theater, his threats regarding the "annihilation" of Jews were not generally treated as a joke by the German public, but rather as a serious, escalating promise of state policy

. Historians argue that the public was aware of the anti-Semitic nature of the regime, and by the outbreak of war in 1939, these threats transitioned towards a clearly understood, violent, and eventually genocidal policy. 

Key Details Regarding Public Perception:

1. "Hitler's Prophecy" (1939): In his January 30, 1939, Reichstag speech, Hitler predicted that if "international finance Jewry" succeeded in starting a world war, the result would be "the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe".
2. Reaction to the Threat: Hitler later recalled that people "laughed" at his early predictions of taking power, but he explicitly stated in 1942 that those who laughed at his 1939 prophecy were no longer laughing.
3. Gradual Normalization: The German public was conditioned to this rhetoric through a "steady drumbeat" of propaganda, dehumanizing films, and laws that escalated from discrimination to systematic persecution.
4. Open Secret: By 1943, it was an "open secret" among the German population that mass killings were occurring. While some claimed ignorance after the war, diary entries and reports from the era indicate that many understood Jews were being killed, not just "resettled".
5. Desensitization: The Nazi regime used euphemisms like "evacuation" or "special treatment" to mask the realities of the Holocaust, but the brutal reality of mass shootings in the East was widespread knowledge. 

Ultimately, the threats were part of a systematic campaign to desensitize the population to violence and gain compliance for the "Final Solution". 

Well I'm not sure about that...But nonetheless they do seem to be a sub-species apart...Not sure it is all down to genetics or simply formative conditioning.

Despite what is done for them, they still harbour disrespect and contentment and tend to abuse any infrastructure put in for their benefit.

But hey, that's me and I consider myself to be a basic normal human being...But maybe I'm completely adrift with such theory...Who's to judge.

Tee hee hee, you are so clever, I bet no other troll ever thought of this one before...truly original.

Are you really that desperate for attention?

I think that most Europeans nowadays think he was right about the gypsies at least.

No, almost no one in Europe thinks that except the nazi and racists, which are minority. Roma people are people like any other. Now, the fact that racist system was put in place to prevent them from getting education and wealth, same system put in place for poor white people and white women in past and today (making education either too expensive or legally inaccessible), this fact doesnt make Roma people bad, but the system put in place which would actually make any race, even white race, much poorer, if it was placed against them.

Wrong again.

And would you look at that, the positive countries strongly correlate to low exposure to the people in question. Tale as old as time.

Wrong again.

Are you unable to do basic logic?

Saying someone has "not favorable views of Roma" isnt same as saying he wants them eradicated and him agreeing with Hitler in that regard.

You can dislike someone without wanting him to be eradicated. We dislike nazi, but we dont eradicate them.

Your claim was that they were people just like any other and that dislike of them was due entirely to situations outside their control and not specific to their particular ethnic group. Were that the case, exposure to said group would result in a decrease of animosity and prejudice, not an increase.

And when disapproval in a given region does crest, there is public support for physically removing these populations, with nationwide expulsion taking place in France in the 2010s. People were by and large happy with the results. Most Germans didn't know about the death camps, they were essentially happy with the same results that contemporary expulsion policies produce, while being unaware that their government was doing more than 'relocating' them.

Your claim was that they were people just like any other and that dislike of them was due entirely to situations outside their control

Yes, being born in poverty and much lower education is a situation outside of their control, as well as people being racist towards them.

But again, if you think majority of Europe wants Roma eradicated, you should provide evidence for that, because that would be a serious problem.

Were that the case, exposure to said group would result in a decrease of animosity and prejudice, not an increase.

this conclusion doesnt follow from previous statement, because it depends on idea most people are rational and good, which they arent.

Adolf Hitler's rise to power was not a direct result of a single event or action, but rather a combination of exploiting deep-seated national grievances, leveraging severe economic crises, and utilizing sophisticated propaganda and political manipulation

. He transformed the Nazi party from a fringe group into a mainstream political force by appealing to widespread dissatisfaction with the Weimar Republic's handling of post-WWI conditions. 

Key factors in Hitler's rise included:

1. Exploiting Post-WWI Discontent (1918–1929)

1. Treaty of Versailles Resentment: Germans widely regarded the post-WWI treaty as a diktat (dictated peace), forcing Germany to take blame for the war, pay heavy reparations, and reduce its military.
2. "Stab-in-the-Back" Myth: Many Germans believed the military was not defeated on the battlefield but was betrayed by politicians, socialists, and Jews on the home front.
3. Weimar Weakness: The new democratic government was seen as ineffective and unable to handle the social and economic unrest. 

2. Utilizing Economic and Political Crisis (1929–1933)

1. The Great Depression: The 1929 economic crash hit Germany hard, causing mass unemployment and poverty, which the government failed to resolve.
2. Anti-Democratic Strategy: Following a failed 1923 coup (the Beer Hall Putsch), Hitler shifted to a "path of legality," seeking to destroy the Weimar Republic from within using its own democratic systems.
3. Political Deadlock: As no party could secure a majority, the government increasingly relied on emergency decrees, paving the way for authoritarian rule. 

3. Propaganda and Charisma

1. Tailored Messaging: Under Joseph Goebbels, Nazi propaganda was highly effective, promising to fix the economy, restore German greatness, and blaming Jews and Communists for the nation's problems.
2. "The Hitler Myth": Propaganda built an image of Hitler as a strong, stable leader who was the only one capable of saving Germany.
3. Effective Oratory: Hitler was a charismatic speaker who used simple language and emotionally charged speeches to resonate with a disillusioned public. 

4. Conservative Elite Support 

1. Backroom Deals: Fearing a communist uprising, conservative politicians, including Franz von Papen and President Hindenburg’s son, convinced President Paul von Hindenburg to appoint Hitler as Chancellor in January 1933, believing they could control him. 

5. Consolidation of Power (1933–1934)

1. Reichstag Fire Decree: Following an arson attack on the parliament building, Hitler used it to suspend civil liberties, allowing for the immediate arrest of political opponents.
2. Enabling Act: In March 1933, the Reichstag passed this act, allowing Hitler to pass laws without parliamentary consent.
3. Merging Offices: After Hindenburg’s death in 1934, Hitler combined the offices of President and Chancellor, declaring himself Führer (leader) of Germany. 

exploiting deep-seated national grievances

Also, nobody else gave a crap about the German people. In the world of port-o-pottys, the man who gives a shit is king.

Germany is such a waste in 2025. Destroyed all their power plants, forcing them to either freeze to death or buy oil from Russia. Can't talk about anything glorifying Germany in any way whatsoever. Demographic collapse. Cultural collapse. Bureaucratic rule. No energy to support industry. What's there to love anymore besides Oktoberfest?

Germany is widely considered the largest and most influential economy in Europe, but whether it is the "richest" or "most successful" depends on the metrics used, as it faces significant economic headwinds in the mid-2020s.

Economic Standing

1. Largest Economy: Germany has the largest gross domestic product (GDP) in Europe, estimated at over €4.3 trillion in 2024, making it the third-largest economy in the world.
2. Economic Drivers: Germany produces approximately one-third of Europe's industrial output and is the third-largest export nation globally. Its economy is anchored by the "Mittelstand," a network of small and medium-sized enterprises.
3. Wealth vs. Income: While Germany has the highest total GDP, it is not the richest by income per person. Luxembourg, Ireland, Norway, and Switzerlandconsistently rank higher in GDP per capita (PPP).
4. Household Wealth: Germany ranks among the highest in Europe in total private household wealth, surpassed in some metrics by Switzerland. 

"Success" and Recent Challenges

While historically strong, Germany has faced significant economic troubles in the 2020s, including: 

1. Recession and Contraction: The economy experienced a decline of 0.2% in 2024, following a 0.3% contraction in 2023.
2. Industrial Strain: The manufacturing-heavy model is under threat from high energy costs, rising competition from China, and the need for digital transformation.
3. Job Cuts: Major corporations, including Siemens, Bosch, and Volkswagen, have announced significant layoffs.
4. Demographic Challenges: An aging population and low fertility rate threaten long-term growth. 

Comparison with Other European Powers

1. France: Often considered the second-largest economy in the EU, known for strong aerospace, luxury goods, and nuclear energy sectors.
2. United Kingdom: Holds a massive services sector and is a major global financial hub.
3. Switzerland: Ranks higher in innovation and human development index (HDI). 

In summary, Germany is the largest economic enginein Europe, but other nations are wealthier per capita or currently show more growth stability. 

Germany isn't a sovereign country anymore. It was literally raped by the USSR, then turned into a proxy battleground during the Cold War, then absorbed under the Nato security umbrella. Being an American vassal means not even being able to utter a peep after we bombed the gas pipeline that they were relying on, sending their manufacturing economy into a death spiral. You saw the same thing with Japan and the Plaza Accord decades earlier. That's what it means to have a suzerain. Vae victis. They brought this upon themselves by not fighting to the death against foreign control.

Germany is a fully sovereign country, officially the Federal Republic of Germany, recognized globally as an independent state and a member of the UN, having regained full sovereignty after its reunification in 1990, though its post-WWII path to sovereignty was gradual, marked by its joining NATO and the EU. 

Key Points:

1. Reunification & Sovereignty: Germany unified on October 3, 1990, becoming a single sovereign state, confirmed by the Two Plus Four Treaty with the Allied powers.
2. International Recognition: Germany is a member of the United Nations (UN) and the European Union (EU), participating in international affairs as a fully independent nation.
3. Historical Context: While West Germany achieved significant sovereignty in 1955, full control over all aspects of its statehood was achieved with unification, ending the special rights of the occupying powers.
4. Government: It operates as a federal parliamentary republic, with its own democratically elected leaders making national decisions. 

In summary: Germany is an independent, sovereign country, though it participates in international alliances like NATO and the EU, which is a choice made by its sovereign government. 

Sad to see an entire country give up.

with its own democratically elected leaders making national decisions. 

no.

Yes, liberal nimby's love these folk as long as they're in someone else's back yard.

Otherwise I don't think you will find a whole lot of reciprocal love exists elsewhere.

Don't get me wrong, some are reasonable and make an effort to be sociable, but nonetheless their base allegiances lie with their own community.

Never trust a G*p*o is the watch word...And yes, as far as British society goes and despite liberal pandering, these people always have been a non-integrated and separate sub-group.

Yes, liberal nimby's love these folk as long as they're in someone else's back yard.

Actually, when I was in prison, there was a lot of Roma people there too. Many of them are good people. Literally, just give them few things occasionally and you are their best friend. But same is true for everyone. I made a lot of friends in prison merely by being charitable.

LOL, they saw you as a mark because you would give them stuff for free. If I ran around in the city giving stuff away I'd suddenly have a bunch of homeless 'friends' as well. Once I stopped giving out free stuff I'm sure our 'friend' status would evaporate and half of them would cus me out and move on to a juicier target.

You misunderstood. I dont give to others because I expect reward or friendship or anything. No, rewards and friendships are just a nice bonus which comes when you are being charitable and useful.

true reward is worship service to Vaheguru, the universal all-pervading master.

I believe in true Communism, because I know we all exist thanks to Communism and charity of Gods, so being charitable is merely being a vessel of divine will.

Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party were antisemitic. This means that they hated Jews. The Nazi form of antisemitism was extreme. It was based on the false idea that Jews were a separate and inferior race.Antisemitism led the Nazis to target Jewish people and to carry out the genocide now known as the Holocaust. The Holocaust (1933–1945) was the organized persecution and murder of six million European Jews by the Nazi German government and its partner countries and helpers.

But antisemitism did not start with the Nazis. Prejudices against Jews had existed for almost 2,000 years before the Holocaust. In Europe, antisemitism had led to discrimination and violence against Jewish people for centuries. By the start of the 20th century, many antisemitic ideas were widely accepted by people in Germany and other European societies. This hatred made the Holocaust possible. 

I think Hitler has become the mascot of evil itself. He got unlucky and was picked to be the complete representation of evil. There were likely plenty of evil men who no one ever knew about because they killed the people who found out what they did. Hitler killed people's ancestors who are still alive today. In the future, there will unfortunately be new Hitler (God forbid tho) who everyone will hate even more.

What stand out in the post is.

“But antisemitism did not start with the Nazis. Prejudices against Jews had existed for almost 2,000 years before the Holocaust. “