On the imperial presidency

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The USFG has been undergoing a long-term shift away from three coequal branches to an "imperial" presidency. Notably the White House is a lot smaller than the Capitol building (I should know; I've personally visited both), suggesting an original vision of a very much restrained presidency, but the former has since eclipsed the latter in importance. Like 80-90% of political discourse revolves around the President rather than Congress or the judiciary, or the states, and it can be said that some Presidents have enjoyed de facto cults of personality.


This probably started with Lincoln and the consolidation of Federal power that was perceived as necessary to win the civil war, then accelerated in the 20th century with the massive expansion of the military and welfare state, and finally there's the Second Trump Administration (albeit basically 100% of coverage thereof has a partisan slant to it, which makes an objective understanding of its workings difficult). I predict that even if the next President, be that Vance or a Democrat, makes a show of scaling these powers back, said reforms either won't be very substantial in practice or they won't last very long.


My position is that this present scenario was, in fact, always structurally embedded in the Constitution. Congress is a large body that, via parliamentary procedures, bicameralism, staggered elections, etc., gives its minority faction an effective veto. Likewise, polarization has broken down the longstanding mutual arrangements that for centuries have kept said gridlock to a manageable minimum.

The Presidency, in contrast, rests in the hands of a single individual. The President will never be gridlocked arguing with himself (not unless he happens to be schizophrenic, anyway), but is always in a position to make swift, decisive use of the authority legally available to him.


This both gives the President a long term advantage in consolidating power (re: he's fast and they're slow) and boosts the perceived legitimacy of him holding onto it. Because legitimacy, in practice, is a funny thing. Generally speaking people care about serious problems getting taken care of, and then they care about whether it was done lawfully. If they run into a scenario that the former cannot be had without dispensing with the latter, they will be tempted to accept that bargain. Polarization in Congress causes said unchecked problems to increasingly pile up, which makes the public increasingly willing to accept a more powerful Presidency to take care of them.


Is there a realistic solution to this? Probably not. Congress could clean up its act but in practice there's too much bad blood between the two parties to expect this. Nor is it realistic to expect that they'll vote to substantially curb the President's powers when both parties labor under the perennial delusion that they're one "great" presidency away from realizing every item on their longstanding ideological bucket list by four or five dozen acts of executive fiat.


If, in the 1780s, the Framers of the Constitution had designed a Bosnian-style presidency with multiple officeholders sharing power, a balanced government might've survived much longer but at the expense of a much slower response to wars or other national crises or disasters. Which would have the side effect of making for more powerful governors, who commanded state militias with a faster response rate, and by extension less of a need for a strong national army. Which, granted, may well have had the butterfly effect of "slavery was never abolished" or whatever.

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@bubbatheclown
s there a realistic solution to this? Probably not. Congress could clean up its act but in practice there's too much bad blood between the two parties to expect this. Nor is it realistic to expect that they'll vote to substantially curb the President's powers when both parties labor under the perennial delusion that they're one "great" presidency away from realizing every item on their longstanding ideological bucket list by four or five dozen acts of executive fiat.


Congress was still the Ultimate Authority in Lincoln/s time, so much so that the Civil War was fought over basically what culture was going to rule Congress. Everything Lincoln did was okayed through Congress, even the suspension of Habeas with a 1963 act. Two things conspired to weaken Congress. The first was the expansion of the voter rolls. What followed was the introduction of generations of lightweights in Congress, which then made Congressional rules to make life comfortable for themselves by abdicating their responsibilities to the unaccountable 4th branch of government. It started as far back as Teddy Roosevelt, when lightweights in Congress feared corporate America providing more welfare than Congress did. Who needs to vote for a Senator when you could just buy cheap kerosene and stay home? The lightweights then invented the manufactured outrage machine. Ostensibly, the President would hold the 4th branch accountable, but it's a Sisyphean task. This is why Congressional policies trend in the direction of more voters and fewer election safeguards. Because it's simple job security at this point.

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@bubbatheclown
If, in the 1780s, the Framers of the Constitution had designed a Bosnian-style presidency


My country is literally on brink of collapse. I encourage others not to copy our model. While Switzerland has a similar model, simply put, 3 presidents are not really that great idea. Maybe 9 presidents would work better. When its 3, you often get 2vs1 situation.

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@bubbatheclown
Is there a realistic solution to this?

Parliamentary democracy. It's a very long-term play though.

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@Savant

Does a sitting Prime Minister have the authority to take swift action like a president even during times when Parliament is gridlocked?

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The Constitution describes an ideal government very well, and, in fact, the preamble effectively makes the ideal condition near-angelic in nature: "...in order to form a more perfect Union." Can't get much better than that.

The idea of three co-equal branches, Legislative, Executive, and Judicial, is that ideal. We are neither a Democracy nor a Republic, but a unique combination off the two, and we share features of both quite well, all things considered. It is the longest lasting constitutional democratic republic [neither term meaning the two major parties, but rather, those forms of government, combined] ever to exist, bar none, at nearly, as of this July, 250 years. By contrast, the longevity of Socialism endures an average of 40 years, and the best ever achieved, less than 100 years [USSR]. China is near to achieving 100 years, but to say that China, i.e. the Peoples' Republic of China - [a curious chosen title - something like "Green New Deal" because the PRC is neither by the people, nor a republic in any traditional sense] is communist may be true, politically, but their economy is certainly more capitalist than communist. The G.N.D. is neither green, nor new, and is no deal at all.


What's wrong with us is the idea that govvernemt service ought to be a career. The four dress never thought that way. In their day, life expectancy was about 39. Ben Franklin, in his 80s, was a freak of nature. But they thought one3 should serve limited time, and go back to their farms and careers after a few years of service. Now, it's all about re-re-re-re election. Only Congress has avoided imposing limitation; the preside ty is limited to two terms as of Truman, and the Supreme Court is for a period of good behavior, and some - few - have retired. The average longevity in Congress, over the last 150 years, is 10 years in office. Most have left by that time; a few don't know how to do that, but they are outliers, so it's not as bad as many think. The idea of imperial presidency is wishful thinking to sell hatred for the president, but that is nonsense. Don 't like the guy, don't vote for him. It has worked so far, so why complain?


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Everything Lincoln did was okayed through Congress, even the suspension of Habeas with a 1963 act. 


Retroactively, some two years after he did it without asking permission, but sure.

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@fauxlaw

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@bubbatheclown
Does a sitting Prime Minister have the authority to take swift action like a president even during times when Parliament is gridlocked?

No, and that kinda solves the problem.


Although I do have a personal preferred design for parliamentary democracy to try and get the best of both worlds. Basically parliament selects a PM through concordet voting to get someone representing the median voter, and the PM can take action with only 40% of Parliament in agreement. But a simple majority of Parliament can remove the PM and replace them with the concordet runner up, and the runner up leaderboard changes weekly. So things get done without gridlock, but if the PM really starts pushing it they can easily be swapped out and the govt continues ahead at full speed with the replacement. (The runner up would be cross-examining the PM weekly as well).


The populace would also vote on which issues are most important, and camps in parliament would select reps to debate those issues in front of a jury of a few hundred people randomly selected from the population. Then when the jury votes (in advance of the rest of the population), their vote selects the makeup of 20% of parliament. And citizens could also defer their vote to the jury, and it would split their vote into the same proportions as the jury voted. So you get a random sample of the populace to represent the informed median voter.

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@fauxlaw

Best, wait and see what happens in 2028 Faux.


But hopefully Trump won't last that long...Fingers crossed.

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