Animal Farm, New York style

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There exists a minority: the productive people and firms who graze and create. In this tale, we will call this group the "sheep." The wolves in this story organize and vote. Everyone calls it democracy, and the language of fairness sounds reassuring. The wolves proudly introduce “democratic socialism,” and promise kinder outcomes without changing the basic arithmetic of democracy. If the rules allow it, a majority can decide how much of the sheep’s output gets redirected. The names change; but the incentives don’t.


Whether or not this story turns into a predatory tale depends on constraints. Where there are hard limits such as clear property rights, independent courts, budgets that have to balance, rules that are difficult to rewrite, solid constitutions, well, in those lands, the menu is mostly off the ballot. Where those limits are softer, control of government becomes a coveted prize, where politics organizes around access to that prize instead of providing solutions.


You can see this tale play out in New York City. There’s a small group of sheep, high earners, investors, and firms who also bear a big share of the costs. They know they are on the menu, but treat it as a natural state of being a sheep. The “wolves” in this story aren’t really villains; they’re coalitions using the rules available to them. But the “sheep” aren’t exactly helpless; they’re productive and have the means to flee the pasture.


And when the sheep start to drift out of the pasture, something slowly changes. Over time, there are fewer sheep to crop the grass and fertilize it. At first, nothing seems different. The votes still happen, the rules still stand, the language still sounds right, the wolves are fed. But the pasture stops renewing itself. Less grazing, less growth, less to go around. What looked like a stable system quietly thins out. And by the time the wolves ask where all the dinner went, why the meadow looks like a garbage dump, it's already too late.


Turns out the problem was never really how to divide the harvest through democratic socialism.

It was forgetting who made it grow in the first place.

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#2 •••
@Shoresy

Yeah, but sadly, the people prefer everyone to be poorer if it means rich isn't rich anymore. But there is only so much money you can steal from the rich before rich move to places that don't steal or steal less.

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@Shoresy

Some people seem to be having this insane idea that the rich should be taxed to pay off debt which other people created.


Sort of like me being in debt, and then asking government to tax my rich neighbor to pay off my debt.


So instead of electing a competent government which won't spend more than it has, the people want to tax the rich to cover budget deficit and encourage more careless government spending.


And what's funny about raising taxes is that once you raise taxes, government spending increases because prices go up.


It's one of reasons why socialism is nothing more than cat chasing it's tail. It never catches it, and even if it did, it would be pointless, but sure makes a lot of effort while at it.

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@SatanLucy

2 wolves and a sheep. I'm pretty sure it's why the USA is deliberately a constitutional republic, not a social democracy.

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#5 •••
@SatanLucy

Hey, Trump currently has debts of $2 billion or more...Go figure.

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@SergeantLynch

I thought Trump was a king, according to the press.


Can't he just skim off the top like most American representatives?

Or even Somali representatives?


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#7 •••
@Shoresy

What to skim, just skimming debt from debt.

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@SergeantLynch
Hey, Trump currently has debts of $2 billion or more...Go figure.


$2 billion is chump change, he can pay that off with the interest on the money he's robbed as President, for some reason America no longer gives a shit about vast, "in your face" corruption, they don't even hide it, they flaunt it.


The people he robs the worst are his supporters,Trump is laughing at his supporters all the way to the bank.

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@SergeantLynch

Yes, but looking at just one side of an equation gets you nowhere. What are his assets? include the gold and sliver, and possibly platinum. And he has never filed personal bankruptcy, contrary to popular opinion. He bankrupts businesses in his Org. that do not produce a profit. His success rate is 99.9...% with just 4 bankruptcies of >530 businesses under the umbrella of Trump Org.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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@Sidewalker

This is what I am saying. He is supposed to be a king, and people can't pay their taxes with an IOU to the IRS.


He should have plenty of money, just like all politicians do.



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#11 •••
@fauxlaw

Yep, I don't doubt that.


I was just pointing out to Lucy the Farce that is the concept of debt to certain people and institutions.

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#12 •••

Trump ran 8 of his business/casinos bankrupt.

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@Debby

Debby, the entire front page of the politics forum is threads you've boosted to the top in the last 10 hours or so. Some of us might be interested in reading the recent topics and not just the topics you've raised from the dead.

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Oh, it's so much worse than I thought. I had to go back to page 4 to find a thread that's most recent post wasn't by Debby. Now, that's in large part due to the lack of activity here, but still. Come on.

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@SirAnonymous

Cmon, necroposters need love too.

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#16 •••

Trump’s bankruptcies should be on the front page to prevent him from bankrupting the country.

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