Fallacies of the Democratic Socialists of America

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https://program.dsausa.org/


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The above link will take you to the DSA website, upon which this post and its succeeding posts are based.Β I will offer my overarching challenge to this entire diatribe: Show me the one successful socialist movement from anywhere in the world that has endured as long as the free market capitalist model of America. No, not from 1776, or even 1787, but from 1619's dual emergence of eventual American expansion. Everyone knows the 1619 Project as the first date of arrival of African slaves, and the modern protest that has resulted. Less known is the Virginia General Assembly meeting for the first time at Jamestown, becoming the first representative legislative assembly in the New World and laying the groundwork for American constitutional democracy via an economic free market. We'll start there: 1619. Show me a successful socialist movement enduring since then. Don't tell me; show me. Well, you can't because socialism does not predate 1619; it's from 1848, Karl Marx. That may not be accurate. It may have started in Eden as the Serpent's beguiling offer to Eve. But it hasn't succeeded from then, either. That's all you have to do, and I'll back off the claim that socialism an an historic failure without a single enduring success story. Enduring being equal to, or surpassing 1619 to 2026; 407 years.


Part 1: The Raised Fis

Socialists claim the raised fist as the symbol of their movement. There it is, prominent in the above weblink, as if they invented it. Nope. Not even that. That symbol has been around since theΒ ancient Greeks, at least. Moreover, the symbol is not a singular fist, but a hundred of them, all from one individual of Greek mythology: Cottus, son of Uranus, one of three brothers, all of whom are giants of Cottus' appearance; monsters of a hundred hands and fifty heads. Looks like a socialist banquet. So, borrowing from the outset, socialism can do nothing more, for it cannot even generate its own wealth; it must borrow[?] it from others. When the borrowing source is depleted, socialism dies of its own lack of ability to sustain itself. Always has; always will. All myths eventually succumb to the demand of real history: Be ambitious, plan, and execute the plan as an individual effort, or wither and die as a disillusioned, collective union population. The following parts to... follow, just like a socialist parade of raised fists. If I used a free market parade, y'all couldn't follow it.


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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/politics/posts/yd/there-arent-any-successful-laissez-faire-countries-plus-social-welfare-countries-arent-necessarily-worse

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@fauxlaw

Yes, saw the title and thought of you...Well knew it had to be.


And so democrats are hopefully democratic, based upon the idea that the nation is more than the democrat and his mates.


And hopefully republicans remain sort of democratic, based upon the idea that that the republican and his mates are superior in every way.


All are capitalists, though some are slightly darker than others, which is what one should expect in a nation founded on mass immigration.


And quite a few are women, who actually can be quite clever...Even the darker ones...But yes, a very bitter pill to swallow.


Nonetheless, I am not disillusioned, I am still here because of you.


Have a lovely day Faux.


Oh, and never forget the 2nd amendment...Anyone can point a gun and pull a trigger...Such is socialism.

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@SergeantLynch

Many countries in Europe are leaning towards socialism and gaining support.

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@Debby

Well, nationalism dressed up as socialism is a sort of alternative to nationalism dressed up as conservatism.


And the winds blow and people sway back and forth.

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@SergeantLynch

You think that socialism is just a passing fashion statement in Europe?

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@Debby

Yes, that's a good way of describing it.


Populations tend to conform to a typical structure.

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@SergeantLynch

Especially if it is beneficial.

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@Debby

Ultimately, it's always beneficial to the strongest, either by intellect or by force, or by both together.

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@SergeantLynch

They like to call it social democracy in Europe.

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@Debby

Yes, tyranny is more or less severe.

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@SergeantLynch

It is under the control of workers and not capitalist.

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@Debby

Where?

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@SergeantLynch

Ideally.

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