Fallacies of the Democratic Socialists of America, Part 11 | Forum

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"End the legacies of slavery and colonialism. Reinforce anti-discrimination laws. Honor all treaties and tribal sovereignty. Enact reparations and massively invest in good jobs, quality housing, and infrastructure in neglected minority communities." - DSA https://program.dsausa.org/

Memo: The XIIIth, XIVth, and XVth Amendments to the Constitution, called the "Reconstruction Amendments," already deleted the legacy of slavery by 1868, 158 years ago. The Declaration of Independence ended colonialism in 1776, 250 years ago. Did we miss our middle and high school US history classes? At least, mine in the 60s included these details, and I know the socialist and communist propaganda was already starting in my high school classwork in Los Angeles, where I grew up 60 years ago, but I was able to dismiss that propaganda for what was valuable historical fact. Where people are sometimes confused is separating the difference between systemic and individual racism. So, once again: systemic racism is that which is codified in statutory law and government policy texts, being "the system." Individual racism is when individuals, both in government and outside it, express racist remarks verbally and in print or broadcast media, or by their own verbal and written communication. If there are no systemic statutory laws and policies that express racial discrimination, then systemic racism is nonexistent. There is no demonstration of the fact of the DSA claim. So, a challenge. Show me an example of currently codified systemic racism. Where no evidence of systemic racism exists, why bother to "reinforce" anti-discrimination law? Congress has enough on its plate without having to till ground already producing fruit to harvest? The target is individual racism, and that is on all of us to combat, because even though the matter is codified, human behavior is still free to express, even illegally.

Honoring treaties and sovereignty is already codified. See the next-to-last sentence of the last paragraph. The same goes in response to the balance of the quote above.

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"End the legacies of slavery and colonialism. Reinforce anti-discrimination laws. Honor all treaties and tribal sovereignty. Enact reparations and massively invest in good jobs, quality housing, and infrastructure in neglected minority communities." - DSA <a href="https://program.dsausa.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://program.dsausa.org/</a> Memo: The XIIIth, XIVth, and XVth Amendments to the Constitution, called the "Reconstruction Amendments," already deleted the legacy of slavery by 1868, 158 years ago. The Declaration of Independence ended colonialism in 1776, 250 years ago. Did we miss our middle and high school US history classes? At least, mine in the 60s included these details, and I know the socialist and communist propaganda was already starting in my high school classwork in Los Angeles, where I grew up 60 years ago, but I was able to dismiss that propaganda for what was valuable historical fact. Where people are sometimes confused is separating the difference between systemic and individual racism. So, once again: systemic racism is that which is codified in statutory law and government policy texts, being "the system." Individual racism is when individuals, both in government and outside it, express racist remarks verbally and in print or broadcast media, or by their own verbal and written communication. If there are no systemic statutory laws and policies that express racial discrimination, then systemic racism is nonexistent. There is no demonstration of the fact of the DSA claim. So, a challenge. Show me an example of currently codified systemic racism. Where no evidence of systemic racism exists, why bother to "reinforce" anti-discrimination law? Congress has enough on its plate without having to till ground already producing fruit to harvest? The target is individual racism, and that is on all of us to combat, because even though the matter is codified, human behavior is still free to express, even illegally. Honoring treaties and sovereignty is already codified. See the next-to-last sentence of the last paragraph. The same goes in response to the balance of the quote above.

We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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@fauxlaw

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@SatanLucy

23, one part for each of the separate DSA planks

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

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Why not just put all of these in the same thread?

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I still don’t know what to type!

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@fauxlaw

Honoring treaties and sovereignty is already codified. See the next-to-last sentence of the last paragraph. The same goes in response to the balance of the quote above.

And yet, hundreds and hundred of treaties made with tribes were broken and remain that way. It is an embarrassment and a horrible shame upon us.

Memo: The XIIIth, XIVth, and XVth Amendments to the Constitution, called the "Reconstruction Amendments," already deleted the legacy of slavery by 1868, 158 years ago.

The legacy of slavery is economic disparities perpetuated by the system, racial wealth gap, and unequal access to housing, healthcare, and education. Redlining and Jim Crow may be gone, but their residue remains. And then there is Modern mass incaceration fueled by systemic policing tactics and strict sentencing has black and brown communities overrepresented.

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...legacy of slavery is economic disparities perpetuated by the system, racial wealth gap, and unequal access to housing, healthcare, and education.

As I have asked, SHOW ME. Telling me your opinion is not helpful. Show me the CURRENT statutes and gov't policies, by quoting and citing them, that demonstrate SYSTEMIC racism. I acknowledge individual racism, but not systemic. Historic examples abound, but show me current examples. Good luck.

As I also said, there is a distinction between systemic and individual, even with a group of individuals within the system. They are the racists, not the system.

In that vein, Jim Crow is no longer running things, so why bring it up? My point, exactly. We do not live in the past, do we? Well, the racists do, but that's their problem.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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Slavery is part of American history. It is the major social discontent of the Black people and needs to be addressed in a big way.

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