Confession to priests are sources of forgiveness but not necessarily required

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#31 •••
@Debby

I score relative to my ability to score...As do we all.

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#32 •••
@SergeantLynch

No one doubts your ability to score is very low.

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#33 •••
@Debby

It's true and only to be expected at 66...So how regularly do you score?


Priests used to score well, but of late they've been somewhat compelled to stop playing such games.


Nuns, I don't know...I can only fantasise.

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#34 •••
@SergeantLynch

All you do is fantasize.

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#35 •••
@Debby

Rather like GOD fantasists such as yourself.


Okay...So you do have regular hands on experience with long males.


And of course, we both have practical considerations as well

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#36 •••
@SergeantLynch

I treat sick males all the time. I am a therapist .

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#37 •••
@Debby

Well, sick is as sick does, and society and modernity and all associated expectations and requirements can for some be difficult to cope with.

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#38 •••
@SergeantLynch

That’s why they see a therapist.

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#39 •••
@linate


linate wrote:
# Confession, priestly absolution, the apostolic and institutional Churches, and the Freedom of God’s Mercy

Confession to a priest is one of the great spiritual gifts of Christianity. It provides accountability, humility, spiritual guidance, and the healing that comes from bringing hidden sins into the light. The Church has long understood the priest as a spiritual physician who helps restore the soul, not merely as a judge declaring guilt or innocence.


Please quote scripture that supports your belief that confession to a priest has any value whatsoever in the eyes of the Abrahamic God. Also linate, be sure and provide Bible book, chapter, and verse.



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#40 •••
@SergeantLynch


SergeantLynch wrote:

Nuns, I don't know...I can only fantasise.


You fantasize about nuns, really?


What is it, those hot outfits they wear?

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#41 •••
@Sidewalker

Same reason why Muslim men find burqas hot.


It's the mystery that lies beneath.


And it's well known that convents are a seething hotbed of sapphic eroticism...Well, that's according to certain online documentaries.


There's a good cookery one you should look out for...Mother Dominique and Sister Angelina's, what to do with a carrot and a zucchini.




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#42 •••
@SergeantLynch


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Same reason why Muslim men find burqas hot.

It's the mystery that lies beneath.

And it's well known that convents are a seething hotbed of sapphic eroticism...Well, that's according to certain online documentaries.

There's a good cookery one you should look out for...Mother Dominique and Sister Angelina's, what to do with a carrot and a zucchini.


Are you sure they are "documentaries" and not just Nunsploitation Movies like "Tits a wonderful life", "Good Will Humping", and "Pulp Friction"?




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#43 •••
@NeutralZone

This verse is found in John 20:22–23 of the New Testament (Christian Bible).


The Passage (NIV)


“And with that he breathed on them and said, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.’” — John 20:22-23

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Evidence of the afterlife

https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/religion/posts/10d/evidence-of-the-afterlife

#44 •••
@linate

Remember they have to be received by the Holy Spirit first.

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#45 •••
  1. Hmmm, Brian Cox, a physicist and atheist, stated in 2016 that religion has sold humans a "false story about reality" and contributed to their "stupidity."


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#46 •••
@Sidewalker


Sidewalker wrote:

SergeantLynch wrote:
Same reason why Muslim men find burqas hot.

It's the mystery that lies beneath.

And it's well known that convents are a seething hotbed of sapphic eroticism...Well, that's according to certain online documentaries.

There's a good cookery one you should look out for...Mother Dominique and Sister Angelina's, what to do with a carrot and a zucchini.

Are you sure they are "documentaries" and not just Nunsploitation Movies like "Tits a wonderful life", "Good Will Humping", and "Pulp Friction"?



Hmmmm...Seems we have similar tastes in online educational services provision.

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#47 •••
@linate


linate wrote:
This verse is found in John 20:22–23 of the New Testament (Christian Bible).

The Passage (NIV)

“And with that he breathed on them and said, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.’” — John 20:22-23


You do realise that all this New Testament verses stuff was made up years later, don't you?

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#48 •••
@SergeantLynch

The Holy Spirit only came after Jesus was resurrected and taken to heaven. The Holy Spirit was Jesus’s replacement as part of the trinity.

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#49 •••
@linate


linate wrote:
This verse is found in John 20:22–23 of the New Testament (Christian Bible).

The Passage (NIV)

“And with that he breathed on them and said, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.’” — John 20:22-23


I don't see any mention of a priest at John 20:20-23, linate.



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#50 •••
@Debby



Debby wrote:
The Holy Spirit only came after Jesus was resurrected and taken to heaven. The Holy Spirit was Jesus’s replacement as part of the trinity.


Where does scripture say that God's holy spirit is part of a trinity, Debby? Please provide no more than three verses of scripture from the Judeo-Christian Bible where it indicates the Abrahamic God is a trinity.


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#51 •••
@NeutralZone

The phrase "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" comes from Matthew 28:19 in the New Testament of the Bible. [1, 2]


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Evidence of the afterlife

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#52 •••
@NeutralZone

The apostles in the bible appointed men to replace and follow after them. They also set up priests and elders in the bible. Notice jesus breathed the holy spirit on the apostles not everyone

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Evidence of the afterlife

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#53 •••
@NeutralZone

1 John 5:7 and the three are one.

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#54 •••
@linate


linate wrote:
The phrase "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" comes from Matthew 28:19 in the New Testament of the Bible. [1, 2]


So you're telling me that the mere mentioning of three entities within the same sentence equates to "they are they same god"? So, let me ask you this: Does the mentioning of you (linate), your biological father, and something owned by your biological father--within the same sentence--means you are all three the same human being?



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#55 •••
@linate


linate wrote:
The apostles in the bible appointed men to replace and follow after them. They also set up priests and elders in the bible. Notice jesus breathed the holy spirit on the apostles not everyone


There is no mention of priests in the entire Judeo-Christian Bible, linate.


Jesus was speaking directly to his apostles (shortly after his resurrection) when he gave the instruction found at John 20:22-23. At that point in time, the apostles received the Heavenly Father's holy spirit. The holy spirit of the Abrahamic God (Jehovah) enabled the apostles to resurrect dead people, to instantly heal people that were sick, and to forgive sins, as stated below.



John 20:22

"After saying this he [Jesus] blew on them [his apostles] and said to them: “Receive holy spirit.

John 20:23

If you forgive the sins of anyone, they are forgiven; if you retain those of anyone, they are retained.”



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#56 •••
@Debby


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1 John 5:7 and the three are one.


1 John 5:7 is a fabrication, Debby. The King James Version is the only Bible that refuses to remove it. Even the other Bible versions that were translated by Trinitarians no longer include the ending that says "and the three are one." Below is a source confirming it.



"1 John 5:7—"RSV scholars say that this verse is an interpolation, a concoction, a fabrication.

Among the thousands of careful English translations available, the King James translation is the only one which includes this ending to 1 John 5:7—"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one."


It is abundantly clear that the King James translation made a serious mistake here, for this passage is found in no original Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century. Its inclusion probably resulted from a scribe inadvertently incorporating a marginal comment (gloss) into the text as he copied the manuscript we find a similar incorporation in the ancient Samarkand Qur'ān :"


https://unchangingword.com/en/references/interpolation



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#57 •••
@NeutralZone

So you just ignore the early church on confession and trinity?


The bible says jesus and the father are god... do u take reservation on the spirt being god?

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Evidence of the afterlife

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#58 •••
@NeutralZone

Elders and Presbyters: The Greek word presbuteros (often translated as "elder" or "presbyter") appears frequently in Acts and the Epistles. Christian denominations hold different views on these offices:

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#59 •••
@linate


linate wrote:
So you just ignore the early church on confession and trinity?

The bible says jesus and the father are god... do u take reservation on the spirt being god?


The Bible--when context is paid attention to--doesn't say that at all, linate. Context refers to surrounding words, verses, and chapters.


Please provide your first three supposed Trinity verses, and I will show you what I mean about the context.



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#60 •••
@linate


linate wrote:
Elders and Presbyters: The Greek word presbuteros (often translated as "elder" or "presbyter") appears frequently in Acts and the Epistles. Christian denominations hold different views on these offices:


At the time of Jesus' instructions to his apostles at John 20:22-23, the title "Elder" existed but not the title "priest."


The Catholic Church came up with the title "priest" at the end of the 2nd century or almost 200 years after Jesus Christ left the earthly scene and returned to heavenly life.


"A priesthood developed gradually in the early Christian church as first bishops and then elders, or “presbyters,” began to exercise certain priestly functions, mainly in connection with celebration of the Eucharist. By the end of the 2nd century, the church’s bishops were called priests (Latin: sacerdos). "

https://www.britannica.com/topic/priest-Christianity



We can't come up with religious titles and apply scripture written hundreds of years prior and then turn around and claim that long-existing scriptures apply to religious titles that we invented later on. It doesn't work that way, linate.



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