God is evil and that's the truth

Hmmmm, the Bible Jesus is God? Is that why he said, And around the ninth hour Jesus shouted-out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?”, that is, “My God, My God, why did you forsake Me?”

Don't think like SomRek.

Jesus felt forsaken because he was alone on the cross alongside two other criminals. But later he was united with his father in heaven.

Yep, such are Middle Eastern inspired myths and legends.

And perhaps there was a character, maybe Yeshua (though I don't have a Hebrew keyboard), who much later was referred to as Jesus.

And as we know, GOD is an old English word.

the Bible Jesus is God? Is that why he said, And around the ninth hour Jesus shouted-out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?”, that is, “My God, My God, why did you forsake Me?”

That then should read: Me Me, why have I forsaken Me!.?

Probably makes more sense considering that HIS mission to take on the whole of the Roman Empire with just a rag -tag band of Galilean Zealots failed miserably thereby forsaking himself .

Remember Jesus prayed the previous night hoping the bitter cup would pass. But when he found himself on the Ross he felt abandoned. But he accepted his mission and fulfilled it on the cross.

OMG, he found himself on Ross on the tv show Friends????

Actually Ross is a town in Herefordshire.

I never knew that the son of a GOD was once abandoned there.

Bromsgrove maybe...But that's in Worcestershire.

And for sure, being nailed to a cross is mission fulfilling, especially for S and M fetishists...Second cumming indeed...And a third and fourth.

What is more stunning is the Romans who crucified him 370 years later embrace Christianity and made it a universal religion

Yep, such was the recognised benefit of religious politics as a method of subjugation and control.

And as we now see, RC Inc. has become a hugely successful global business and entertainment empire.

For sure, clever needs stupid and stupid always needs clever.

How has Judaism survived without being clever?

The people behind the ideology will likely be just as clever as anyone else.

Generational data transfer ensures that the ideology survives

All religions have survival skills.

Well, religions are inanimate concepts.

But for sure, herd mentality is one survival strategy.

How can religion be inanimate concepts and also help develop the herd mentality?

Logically, God must be good.

If God were evil, then there would exist no good or concept of what good was in our world.

How would we be able to explain the presence of good?

God sacrificed his only begotten son Jesus so that whoever believed I him would have eternal life.

Hi Debby,

That's true - but hear is another question - is the belief a condition for eternal life or a gift of eternal life? A small clue would be to check the Greek.

It’s a condition for eternal life. The gift is the second chance to be saved.

Thanks for your response Debby.

I see faith as a gift of salvation. If it is a condition, then it is a form of works. Hence, why we're told that we are saved by grace through faith - and this is a gift, not works, so as not to be able to boast. Ephesians.

You will be in heaven so no one can hear you boasting.

You will be in heaven so no one can hear you boasting.

I'm not sure of what you mean. I am talking about here on earth - not in heaven.

Tradesecret wrote:

Hi Debby,

That's true - but hear is another question - is the belief a condition for eternal life or a gift of eternal life? A small clue would be to check the Greek.

Hi Trade.

Yes, it was usually a Greek.

Fed up with the classical pantheon I suppose.

The New Testament was written in Greek.

Debby wrote:

Both Islam and Christianity teach humans to care for the sick and poor. Both religions have over 2 billion followers each. People willing to help erase human suffering.

Both grew the religions with inquisitions and jihads. IOWs. Land Grabs.

Have you noted that when it comes to moral discussions, Christians run for the hills.

That is all they can do, as they cannot justify a God who puts the good of the few above the good of the many.

Yahweh will always remain an immoral genocidal prick of a God.

Debby wrote:

The New Testament was written in Greek.

Have you researched the Greek/Jewish Chrestianity, that Christianity plagiarized into Christianity?

Tradesecret wrote:

Thanks for your response Debby.

I see faith as a gift of salvation. If it is a condition, then it is a form of works. Hence, why we're told that we are saved by grace through faith - and this is a gift, not works, so as not to be able to boast. Ephesians.

On Grace.

Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHYeHN4ZUQ

Those quotes seem to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

What is your choice of those two options?

Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

Debby wrote:

God sacrificed his only begotten son Jesus so that whoever believed I him would have eternal life.

Christians run from noticing Jesus negate the just reward that Yahweh gave for his less just messianic concept.

Christians do not care about their moral soul and will adore evil.

Have you noted that they inset Jesus' name in the First Commandment?

Do you not want your just reward?

Will you accept an unjust Jesus deal?