More "Christians" believe in karma and reincarnation

I think that you just described what was going on.

It's all about how the human onboard computer acquires and utilises data.

So apart from the minority who choose to be Christian obsessives, for others who were unknowingly baptised as Christian, Christianity is just an element of their background noise and information clatter. Such noise and clatter has infinitely variable possibilities.

So apart from the minority who choose to be Christian obsessives, for others who were unknowingly baptised as Christian, Christianity is just an element of their background noise and information clatter. Such noise and clatter has infinitely variable possibilities.

Yes, it's good to see people using their gray matter. There are Christian zealots that are incapable of questioning what it's written in the bible. I mean, there are biblical things that are undefendable, but these people stubbornly insist on making up new interpratations to sustain the lies they believe in.

Nevertheless, karma is associated to reincarnation, so if Christians believe in karma, they necessarily need to believe in reincarnation.

No, association of two, or more, separate effects does note necessitate linkage. Other wise, the following failed syllogism would, in fact, be true:

P1: Birds idly.

P2: Camels walk.

C: Therefore, butterflies swim.

Not true, even though both propositions are true. There is a waxy substance the butterfly produces to protect the wings from becoming soaked, such as in a rainstorm, or falling into shallow water in which it can keep its wings above the surface of the water. But if then butterfly is dunked into water and cannot immediately escape from it, that wax breaks down, allows the wings to become soaked, and it must be able to fight its way out of the water, to dry, and re-develop the wax coating, or the wings will be permanently damaged, and unable to fly.

I am a Christian. I believe in karma, which really is just the belief that we, individually, control our destiny, but I know it by another moniker: free will. I do not accept determinism at all, and do not accept that God controls my life ion any way. That's my job. He gave dominion to man, beginning with Adam & Eve. God does not coerce as a means to be obedient; that's our job., individually.

The fact that both karma, and reincarnation are Hindu concepts in no way necessitates their linkage.

There are Christian zealots that are incapable of questioning what it's written in the bible. 

That is likewise true of Muslims reading the Quran, of Jews reading the Torah, of Buddhists reading the Tripitaka, or of Wiccans reading The Book of Shadows, etc, etc. Reading is not automatic comprehension, period. Who said it was? That's wokeness, and woke is dead. Isn't that obvious?

I am a Christian. I believe in karma, which really is just the belief that we, individually, control our destiny, but I know it by another moniker: free will

I love how you just steal another religion's concept, completely change the definition and use it however, you feel like. That is definitely Christian. Considering, in Wicca, a Book of Shadows is a personal spell journal, unless you don't understand what ingredients are listed, there's not much to not get.

I love how you just steal another religion's concept, completely change the definition and use it however, you feel like

Aren't you doing the same thing? Accusation without knowing my sources of information? I have stolen nothing. I grew up in L.A., with friends of many cultures around the world, including Buddhists and Wiccans. I own copies of all books I mentioned in the languages I read, among the four walls of books that is my library. I know what karma is, as understood by those who created it, along with my Oxford English Dictionary. Cause and Effect. Thought, driving action, with consequences. That's not karma? What is self-directed destiny, but that? Since when? And how would you differentiate that from free will? Same thing, different words, just as Greek has seven words that differentiate the English word, "love," but to which we of the English tongue must add adjectives and adverbs to say what the Greeks can say in one word. My daughter's middle name is Karma. When she was an infant, I held her over my head under the night sky, filled with stars, and conducted an African custom [I am of French and Scot ancestry]; to hold a child thus and declare, "Behold the only thing greater than yourself." She asked me, much later when the time came, to perform the same ritual, when each of her children were born. Did I steal that, or did I honor that African culture which created the rite? I pity you for declaring that is stealing. I am, above all, a humanist, appreciating all our cultures. Good enough?

I find it really weird that people ever believed (and still sometimes do) the ancient myths, from pretty much every culture. Greek, Egyptian, Jewish, Eastern, whichever. The stories are so fanciful, and they usually attempted to explain something about the world but left so much unexplained while doing their job just as well as any other made up story could have. Why would they have been taken seriously?

Nope. Being friends in with someone in a religion doesn't mean you get to just do whatever you want with the concepts in that religion. Any believingEvery religion is somehow related doesn't make them all related.

Jesus is a good example of karma and reincarnation.

jesus was crucified for his bad Karma and reincarnated to continue his mission.

No, but whatever.

You’d think that a cult leader who drew crowds, inspired devoted followers and was executed on the order of a Roman governor would leave some indentation in contemporary records. The emperors Vespasian and Titus and the historians Seneca the Elder and the Younger wrote a good deal about 1st-century Judea without ever mentioning Jesus. That could mean simply that he was less significant an actor than the Bible would have us think. But, despite the volume of records that survive from that time, there is also no death reference (as there was, say, for the 6,000 slaves loyal to Spartacus who were crucified along the Appian Way in 71 BCE), and no mention in any surviving official report, private letter, poetry or play.

Reincarnation and resurrection are separate terms meaning separate concepts of life. Reincarnation is repetitive for each individual; resurrection is a singular event for each individual. But, reincarnation is not a good explanation why the population of Earth keeps increasing. It should be relatively stable since it is repetitive. We do not reincarnate to separate individuals.

But, it was not the Roman's who insisted on the crucifixion of Christ.It was the Jewish Sanhedrin who insist4ed Rome do that because they were forbidden by Rome to exact punishment of death. It was the Jews who demanded his death, and conspired with Judas to pay him silver to betray Christ in Gethsemane. Pilate, himself, washed his hands of the whole affair. No wonder it was not spoken of much by the Roman's; a contemporary insignificant blip on their radar. You note Vespasian and Titus, and the Seneca's, but avoid Flavius Josephus, 1st century Roman/Jewisdh historian who was fully aware of Jesus, and Pilates role and wrote of it, even acknowledged that Jesus performed miracles and rose from the dead.

Have you read the 120-volume set of Josephus, "Antiquities of the Jews," which covers their history from creation to about 70 C.E. I own it and have read it.

As fauxlaw says "association of two, or more, separate effects does note necessitate linkage"

Just because some Communists use X 'bit of Capitalism, doesn't mean they believe in or practice other Capitalist Doctrines.

Additionally I'd argue that some concepts are so simple as to be discovered separately.

Cause and Effect for example.

Karma and Reincarnation are simple enough ideas that one wouldn't have to hear of them through Indian religions.

When someone says they believe in Karma, it doesn't necessarily mean they believe in Hindu defined Karma.

It's just language bleeding across culture to describe similar concepts.

"Karma is a concept originating from Eastern religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism, referring to the principle of cause and effect where a person's actions influence their future. In these belief systems, good deeds lead to positive outcomes, while bad deeds result in negative consequences, often across multiple lifetimes through reincarnation.

In contrast, the Bible does not explicitly mention karma, as it is not a concept rooted in Judeo-Christian theology. However, the Bible does address the principle of sowing and reaping, which bears some resemblance to the idea of karma. This principle is articulated in several passages, emphasizing that actions have consequences, both in this life and in the life to come."

https://biblehub.com/topical/k/karma.htm

Karma and reincarnation are associated by definition, unless Christians are borrowing the word and making their own concept as @Polytheistwitch states, which is ok to me.

What I don't understand is why Christians use the word karma if they already have their own concept of justice, which is to send all the non-believers and sinners to burn in hell.

But, reincarnation is not a good explanation why the population of Earth keeps increasing. It should be relatively stable since it is repetitive. We do not reincarnate to separate individuals.

This is if you think the Earth is the only planet with life in this universe, which is not true.

This universe is plenty of planets like ours with people in the same level of evolution. So, technically, the soul can experience different lives in different planets, depending on the availability. For instance (according to fkn aliens), Jesus and Maria' souls came from a more evolved planet, they didn't need to reincarnate because they were already evolved, but came over anyway as voluntaries to help out. Another instance, some aliens that are watching over and helping us are reincarnations of the apostles of Jesus, aka the Christ.

I explain what is the problem of separating karma from reincarnation.

Karma is supposedly the reaction to an action. So if you do something bad the karma will make sure that you pay for that bad action. So, all the fvckers that exist in this world should pay in this life for the bad they did to others, which is honestly "wishful thinking". I met people that did a lot of terrible things and died getting away with it.

Here is where the reincarnation comes to our assistance. Reincarnation allows not only to do justice by means of karma but also teach the soul what it feels to be the victim. By doing so, the soul learns to have empathy and then evolves. For this to work, the soul needs a lot of reincarnations.

This is if you think the Earth is the only planet with life in this universe, which is not true.

I agree with that, but there is no evidence in reincarnation that we go to different planets. Not salting it is I'm possible3, just that we do not kn ow, and that always causes guessing. Not always the best endeavor applied.

have their own concept of justice, which is to send all the non-believers and sinners to burn in hell.

But that statement, on its own, does not account for the opportunity of repentance, which is a concept that is represented to me by much of Christianity as a turnstile effect of sinning, go to a priest/pastor seeking absolution, go out and commit the same sin, or others, and return to the confessional. That's not repentance. And that denies the atonement of Christ. I do not believe in original sin, either. We do not bear the stain of Adam and Eve any more than they bear ours. That, too, denies the atonement of Christ. Repentance is supposed to be turning away from a sin, oversomiong it and no longer committing it. That's not a turnstile, that's solid growth toward perfection. If we keep committing the same sins, we are not successfully repenting.

I think when most people use the word, "Karma," they aren't using it in the same sense that Hindus and Buddhists use it. They're using in a broader sense to just mean "what goes around comes around" or "you reap what you sow." Reaping what you sow is very much a Christian idea. It comes from passages like Galatians 6:7-8. It's a very modest claim that there are consequences to your actions. Good actions generally have good consequences, and bad actions generally have bad consequences. I think that's all people usually mean when they talk about karma. They aren't talking about reincarnation, or having to pay for what you did in a previous life.

Popular Culture understanding of the word karma,

Isn't the same as Hindu understanding of the word Karma.

A lot of people understand karma as probabilities.

Someone who goes around killing others with a sword, is likely yo meet such a fate themself.

Because they keep getting into dangerous situations and creating hate in other people.

'Many people use the word karma in such a situation,

Or those YouTube karma videos where someone is being a jerk, then moments later something bad happens.

They don't mean that a Mystical Energy Karma source is righting the scales of existence.

As I said, it's just language and culture mixing.

Polls and Statistics are often flawed,

I don't think asking someone if they believe in karma is the same as asking them if they believe 'specifically in Hinduisms 'explicit concept of Karma and Reincarnation.

Because people think they can just appropriate words and concepts and religions and use them however they want to. And the people that do that do that, because at their core, they really don't believe any of it exists, they'd be worried about offending the gods that represent those concepts.

Well, let's say that in the West, Karma has a more simplistic definition, but I wasn't that wrong when I said Christians are believing more in reincarnation.

https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2015/10/21/25-percent-us-christians-believe-reincarnation-whats-wrong-picture/

In 2015, 25% of American Christians believed in reincarnation. I guess now the number is higher and in crescendo. People are paying more attention to the several solid cases of reincarnation and also to the scientific research about it that points to its existence.

We're witnessing the appearance of a new religion.

If Jesus had better Karma he would not have been crucified. He resurrection was an attempt at reincarnation.

The point of reincarnation is that it requires several lifetimes in mortality to learn how to progress properly. The point of resurrection as that several lifetimes in mortality are not necessary, but that the purpose of mortality is achievable in a single mortal lifetime. The difference is that purpose of eternity is requires an eternity to learn all the processes necessary to achieve, and that perfection is not a singular achievement, but a never-ending process of progression.

To quote a Reddit comment,

How many of those people confused it with resurrection?

It's also questionable how 'new the idea is,

It's quite possible there's 'always portions of 'all groups in the world with divergent beliefs.

New 'Religion, I also find a bit questionable.

'Fad maybe, as seances have been popular at times,

'Belief maybe, but without doctrine and Reincarnation Churches, I'm doubtful of it as a 'Religion.

That proves Jesus didn’t learn anything from his short life and ministry, his resurrection only lasted 40 days. Giving him even less time to correct his mistakes from his first life cycle.

No, nothing of your commentary is true of resurrection. Jesus spent 40 days on Earth as a resurrected being, and the biblical record indicates his rising into heaven, promising his return. What mistakes did Jesus commit, since you make the claim. Non-belief is not evidence of lack of biblical teaching.