55% of the world population consists of the three Abrahamic religions

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Christians: 32%

Muslims; 23%

Judaism: 0.2%


I have read the Holy Bible, and then Torah, cover-to-cover in four languages: English, French, Greek, Italian. They are not identical, word-for-word. Even just in Engish, there are over 2 dozen separate translations.


I have read the Quran cover-to-cover in 2 languages, English and French. Same consequence as above.


I have read the Tripitaka [Buddhism] in English. It's original language is Pali, an ancient Indian tongue similar to Sanskrit. I'll wager it's translation to English is also fraught with changes.


Yet, all are considered holy writ, subject to mistranslation, either by error, or deliberate or coerced deception.


So, let's not get too wrapped up accusing any of these religions for being heretics not worth the time to investigate. There is a source to go to to inquire what is, and is not true. That source would be wisely consulted. I'd say those who scoff at religion are the heretics.

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#2 •••
@fauxlaw

Polytheists will rise again! I have no respect for Christianity and Islam. They are religions for the sheep. Usually, if you want to see where truth is, just look at what most people believe, and truth is probably the opposite, as most people are failures.

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@SatanLucy
Polytheists will rise 


They already have. Many Christians and Jews are caught in the middle of the argument and, by doctrine that cannot find relevance biblically, believe they are not polytheists, themselves. But they ignore from Genesis, 1:26. From the beginning [Gen 1:1 - 25] "God," alone is the reference, but in Hebrew, "God" is said to be "Elohim" [אֱלֹהִ֑ים] which is a plural [third person] noun, but it is paired with "ba'ra" [בָּרָ֣א] "create" [singular], and such is the case through verse 25. However, Genesis 1:26, the Hebrew verb "make" (נַעֲשֶׂה - na'aseh) is in the plural form in addition to the plural form "Elohim." Multiple gods..It is the first person plural verb, meaning "let us make man in our image." The phrase "in our image" also uses plural pronouns (נו - nu), reflecting the plural verb form. Why the change? To acknowledge that there is a hierarchy of gods, with one at the head, but others beside him. Christians acknlowledge "God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, but somehow could not conceive that these are separate individuals as Genesis acknowledges at the point of creating man in their shared, but separate images and being separate gods.

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#4 •••
@fauxlaw

What did you think of the Torah, Quran, and Tripitaka?


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#5 •••
@fauxlaw

They are all Gods , therefore they have similar traits.

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#6 •••
@SatanLucy

I'm estimating your IQ to be 180.

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#7 •••
@fauxlaw

Well, I don't know who your post is intended for but it would be good if you mention with names who are these people that "mock" at religions.


As far as I'm concerned, it's quite imposible to refrain from being sarcastic with religions. There are so many contradictions and nonsense that I just can't.


I'll try to mark my sarcastic posts as offensive if you wish but so far I didn't pretend to be sarcastic in the religion forum.

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#8 •••
@Leaning

First pass, they contain both truth and error, just as the Holy Bible does, That volume, I have read clover-tro-cover in four languages [and I've read the Quran in two, and the Tripitaka just n English] and none completely agree, word-for-word, with another. Just in English, the Bible suffers under more than 2 dozen translation, and they do not agree word-for-word, either. "infallible" is not a word I would apply to any of them. Valid advice, mostly, yes, I agree.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

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#9 •••
@Debby

Yes, they all share godhood, which likely has several levels of assignment and duty

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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@Misterio

No, I don't find anything you say offensive, just a different POV than mine, and that's perfectly fine with me. We, humanity, are meant, I believe, to discuss matters to more fully understand one another, and still try to get along. That is, I think, the lesson from the Tower of Babel: get along in spite of differences.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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@fauxlaw
there is a hierarchy of gods, with one at the head, but others beside him. Christians acknlowledge "God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, but somehow could not conceive that these are separate individuals as Genesis acknowledges at the point of creating man in their shared, but separate images and being separate gods.


It's my understanding that the LDS Doctrines of "exaltation" and "eternal progression" are polytheistic beliefs also, can you explain these concepts?

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@fauxlaw

So a small bunch of semi-desert folk came up with a fanciful idea, which relative to intellectual and social evolution became an established creation and existence hypothesis.


And later on, either a madman or a conman took up the idea and promoted himself as the son of a god.


And typically some folk fell for it and others didn't.


And elsewhere others came up with other ideas. Though some folk felt so inspired, and went about the place forcibly attempting to re-programme minds.


So we arrive at a world where 55% of a global society is variously addicted to an old desert dwellers fanciful hypothesis, and where religious clubs can influence national and global politics to a greater or lesser degree...It's the way it is.




All thanks to shaman Abe who was probably off his head on something and convened with folk from another realm. Which I would suggest is the more reasonable of the two hypotheses.


And up until now, in the heads of folk, is the only place where GODS might or might not exist.




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@Sidewalker

Eternal progression is a concept in Spiritualusm and that is monotheist. But they also don't view the creator as this sort of entity that would be punishing everyone. So we are basically experiencing life so that the creator has those experiences. Where you land in the afterlife, depends on your choices, and if you've made bad choices, you have to work through them to progress spiritually.

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@Sidewalker

All who have lived on Earth will resurrect, re-joining the spirit with the physical body, justo as Jesus did [and he did not suddenly lose that physical body to become just a spirit, again, as some of Christianity believes. Satan, and all who fell from heaven with him, and who never we bien into a physical, mortal body, remain as spirits only, will not resurrect because they have no physical body to resurrect, and therefore will have less power than nay person born on Earth who dosed resurrect.

Before our resurrection, but after Christ returns to Earth, those who are still mortal will continue dying as normal, but there will be a period of time during which Satan will be bound and can have no influence over the Earetrh and its inhabitants. Durong thatperiod, the Holy Spirit will, himself, be born into a physical body and live a mortal life, die, and resurrect as everyone else.

Exaultation is deserved eternal life in the presence of God; in fact, with the godhead, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit [see above for his exigence]. Not all who resurrect will earn exaltation, only those whose mortal lives were lived according to the commandments of God, including successful practice of repentance.

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@SergeantLynch

If that's your shtick, run with it.

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@fauxlaw

Do you believe that you will be a God someday?

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#17 •••
@fauxlaw
That is, I think, the lesson from the Tower of Babel: get along in spite of differences.


I'm sorry but I can't help it.


The theory of contactees about the Tower of Babel is that the aliens (the Gods) were afraid of human biengs becoming as powerful as them, so they decided to turn off a gene that corresponds to the faculty of telepathy, and other genes related to psychic abilities. If human beings can communicate using telepathy, it's not necessary to have an oral language.

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@Sidewalker

At this point, that achievement is only a possibility. It is a personal goal, and it is possible to achieve, but there is also possibility to fail in the attempt. Way to early, but I solidly believe in eternal progression.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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@Misterio

No, I disagree that prevention by gene manipulation occurred to prevent attempting to build the Tower of Babel. Gods are not afraid of mortal people. The means of achievement of the tower builders was going to always be impossible because the achievement of becoming as the gods is not achievable by the means they devised. Gods define the rules, not mortal men. There is a clearly defined process of that achievement, to a point we can understand now, and it has clear instructions, not all of which have yet been revealed, but we know the beginning of the process, and those beginning steps are required to achieve before moving on. Eternal progression means just that; perfection is not an achievement, it is a never-ending process. Processes have rules and they cannot be shortcutted by any means such as the Babel folks attempted anymore than we can do it, now.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#20 •••
@fauxlaw

Well It's one of many possible shticks.


Though in my opinion, my shtick is somewhat more logical than yours.


In that it doesn't rely upon fantasy realms and fantasy characters.


Shticks that rely upon fantasy explanations are usually regarded as myths.



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#21 •••

Explain your "logic," and what is "fantasy."

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

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#22 •••

Explain your "logic," and what is "fantasy."

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#23 •••

The entire concept of heresy and heretics is ridiculous imo. Like can you not coexist with alternate beliefs? Jeez.

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@Wryly
 Like can you not coexist with alternate beliefs?


When your religion's main goal is to eradicate all opposite religions, either by converting them or destroying them, there is no possible coexistence. Its a built in hate and opposition in the basis of religion.

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Religious people: My GOD hates your People!-No, my God hates your People!

The Intelligent Creators: It's working, all stupid people will kill each other.

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@FLRW
all stupid people will kill each other.


I'd say by definition, stupid people do not know the difference between smart and stupid, so the killing will cross the border you drew.

Intelligent creators know this, and would not make the claim you claim they make.

I do not believe stupid Creators exist. Intelligent ons do.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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@fauxlaw

SO, Shaman often use narcotics to achieve communication with other realms. Therefore it is logically reasonable to assume that Abe used the same methodology...Rather than a stone cold sober Abe, actually met and liaised with a magic man.


So Abe says, I met a magic man and the magic man said...This is a fantasy derived of imagination and/or altered perception.


And faux says, I too believe that the magic man is real because I can verify the testimony and state of mind of Abe, who existed 4000 years ago.

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@fauxlaw

Let me see if I understood correctly. Mormons say there is just one life but at the same time they're convinced there's an eternal process of learning to become perfects as "God".


I've got to say mormon doctrines are funnier than conventional Chrsitianity. At least, you acknowledge there is a natural learning process to become "Gods", though the only-one-life belief doesn't square with the eternal progression. You need reincarnation to make it square.


As to the Tower of Babel, it's related to Atlantis, a pre-diluvian civilization that was more advanced than ours. They even managed to make interplanetary travels but the planet was reseted for some reason. These people had psychic abilities, their communication was telepathic, meaning it was a universal language, or a cosmic language since aliens also use telepathy. Aliens cut it off from our DNA, that's why our world has multiple languages.

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@SergeantLynch

I said no such bloody thing. Magic is not the power I recognize as divine, and Abe denounced it as heresy. Read the book, boyo. Read them all. You're talking pure shyte.



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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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@Misterio

one life - yes, which endures for eternity, i.e., in both directions, past and future. Very little of it is in a mortal condition.


Why is reincarnation necessary if we can figure out how life should be lived in one pass? Look, if all the decisions we must make during mortality we're the essential, life-changing decisions among the hundreds to thousands of decisions we make daily, then, yes, it might take longer than one mortal lifetime. But all decisions are not life-chaging. In fact, very few are, and we're mostly fairly ignorant tp the great majority of them because most are just that: ordinary. That is why, at a point of death, we accept the meme that our life flashes before our eyes. Flash, because there is just not that much that is memorable to the degree of being life-changing.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University