How should the Supreme Court really interpret "separation of church and state?"

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Today, the “separation of church and state” is interpreted as forbidding mention of God in pubic schools, or conducting prayer, even by one's self in silence, when the Everson case [1947’s Everson v. Board of Education] found"

 “…that although the United States government cannot promote religion, it also cannot be religion’s adversary.”


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@fauxlaw

My views haven't changed from my comments #19 and #22 from below thread.

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11231-ten-commandments-in-classrooms?page=1


I don't see a problem with an individual praying by themself, silent or out loud.


Since 1962, the Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that school-mandated prayers in public schools are unconstitutional. United States law does permit religious education of public school students, along with voluntary prayer, during school hours under the principle of released time as "long as the teachers are not state-approved, public money is not involved, and there is no state coercion."[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_prayer_in_the_United_States

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@fauxlaw
Today, the “separation of church and state” is interpreted as forbidding mention of God in pubic schools, or conducting prayer, even by one's self in silence, when the Everson case [1947’s Everson v. Board of Education] found"
 “…that although the United States government cannot promote religion, it also cannot be religion’s adversary.”


That’s an astoundingly uninformed interpretation of Everson V. Board of Education, your interpretation is non-sequitur nonsense.


Everson argued that the state law that allowed the use taxpayer funds to pay for transportation to Catholic schools was unconstitutional, the Supreme Court ruled against Everson, supporting the state law because it compensated parents who sent their kids to public and religious private schools equally.


It had nothing whatsoever to do with “forbidding mention of God in pubic schools, or conducting prayer, even by one's self in silence”. 


The OP is either patently dishonest, or just plain stupid, or both.

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#4 •••

Separation of church and state is the doctrine of state neutrality in matters of religion. It's not discouragement of religion or favorable treatment of irreligion, but this misunderstanding is both extremely widespread and a good 50-70% of the reason why the country has struggled to achieve bipartisan support for the concept.


In a school setting, it means that public schools can endorse neither religion nor ideas or ideologies that are harmful or conventionally opposed to religion. Student prayer must be student-led and without teacher endorsement or support, and the same applies to (among other things) LGBT student organizations or events.

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#5 •••
@fauxlaw

Perhaps schools should just teach the useful stuff.


Rather than faith based possibilities.


The World is full of speculative fantasy crap anyway, so in the long run there's no way it can be avoided.



And a court' whether it be supreme or not so supreme, is always going to be limited by the mindset of it's participants.


I would suggest that impartiality is either a pipe dream or a lie.



So ultimately there is the State and there is religion.


Therefore, is it reasonable to suggest that religion can be put in a cupboard and occasionally forgotten.



Everson V Board of Education is just legal waffle for those with an interest in legal waffle.

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#6 •••

God or religion isn't forbidden in schools but restricted in being taught or forced on students by staff or the school. Religious clubs can be lead by students. Comparative religion is allowed in schools. Students can pray at any time as long as they are not disrupting class or the school day. Religion is a part of culture and should be addressed when it's appropriate to a political situation. Teaching kids religion means nothing isn't being realistic.

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#7 •••

Well, Religion is the opiate of the people.

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#8 •••

State funded schools cannot pick a religion to teach in schools. But private schools cannot pick. Eg catholic schools.

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@Sidewalker

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/330/1/


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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

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https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/330/1/


Very good, that is the Supreme Court case of Everson v. Board of Education 1947, the next step is for you to actually read it, that way, maybe you will get a clue about what your uninformed blathering is about.



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Separation of state and religion is changing America.50 states are banned from teaching religion.

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