God Created All Atheists

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We know that free will cannot exist logically, and we also know God logically must exist.


So that means God creates and controls everything, including atheists.


In this sense, atheists are exactly the way God wants them to be.


Every person on Earth is the perfect creation of God.


Divine wisdom is such that the ones who dont understand it see the world differently from those who do.


Once you realize that everything what happens is 100% will of the God, you realize that hating anyone or anything means hating the will of the God.


This is logically true.


X = will of God

Hating X = hating will of God


In this sense, there are those who hate the will of God and there are those who dont.


Those who fully accept the will of God must likewise believe in unconditional acceptance of everything what happens, as everything what happens is pure will of God.


For this reason, I cannot hate anyone or anything, because everything is God's will. There is no good and evil. There is only the will of the supreme ruler who controls everything and everyone.

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#2 •••

Anything that exists outside of natural law is not of creation and not something that should be acceptable. And this isn't geared towards atheists, they are perfectly acceptable to be that.

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#3 •••
@SatanLucy

Who is "we," who "know free will cannot exist?" You and your windsock puppet?

Because lack of free will is "logical," according to the two of you, pls. demonstrate the logic. Your claim; your BoP.



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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#4 •••
@Polytheistwitch

Everything that exists was created by God.

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#5 •••
@fauxlaw
Who is "we," who "know free will cannot exist?"


I have explained this many times. The definition of free will contradicts its own existence, because existence can be either random(unconditional) either pattern(conditional), and neither of the two is free will. Of course, I dont expect people here to understand high level logic. This is something for high level only.

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#6 •••
@Polytheistwitch

I agree that God can be happier with some of her creations than she is with others, but ultimately, all that exists only exists because God wanted it.

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#7 •••
@Debby
Everything that exists was created by God


I agree with this. God is the Creator of existence, and if it wasnt for God, it would be impossible for anything to exist.

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#8 •••
@SatanLucy

bullshit

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#9 •••
@fauxlaw
bullshit


As I said, high level logic is way above people here. They cant even respond to it.

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#10 •••
@SatanLucy

typical if/then logic is shit, itself.


Misuse of "if," which automatically implied that the "if" statement is currently not true, which it never is. That's how to begin a logical statement? Nope.


The proper constructions is "because/then". Get it?


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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#11 •••
@fauxlaw

Using your logic because/then.


Because God created everything that exists, then atheists too were created by God.

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#12 •••
@fauxlaw
typical if/then logic is shit


As I said, no logical response from you, not even the basic level of understanding of what was said. When you make up your mind and choose to defend either conditional either unconditional will, then tell me. And no, 3rd option doesnt exist.

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#13 •••
@SatanLucy

Using she to refer to the creator doesn't impress me.The creator has no sex or gender. Deities do. Almost every creation myth involves males.

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#14 •••
@Polytheistwitch, @SatanLucy
I agree with this. God is the Creator of existence, and if it wasnt for God, it would be impossible for anything to exist.


So a non-existent God created existence. Wow, that's an impressive trick.

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#15 •••
@Double_R

I know you guys feel like you have to come in here and tell every single person on every single post that there's no god and you're an atheist and pat yourself on the back. We appreciate your contribution. Perhaps that frees up some other atheist to post on some other topic.

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#16 •••
@Polytheistwitch
Using she to refer to the creator doesn't impress me.


Venus is she, and while my religion doesnt exactly have a way of determining if creator is he or she or it, I believe in infinite number of Gods, and some likely prefer to be called she. Especially Venus, Goddess who gave me signs which to me prove she is real and that she is actually similar to what Christians would describe as Satan or devil in the Bible. Even the morning star is common name for Venus and Satan. So I feel the need to stop calling God he because it is extremely unlikely that all Gods are males, and even more unlikely that the ones I am praying to are.

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#17 •••
@Double_R
So a non-existent God created existence. Wow, that's an impressive trick.


First existence can only be created from non-existence or not be created at all. I dont see why this is so difficult to understand. God is all powerful, he can create himself out of nothing, and he can exist eternally. So it doesnt matter which theory of first existence you believe in, creation from non-existence, or eternal existence, both support God. God, defined as supreme being above logic, cannot be in any way stopped from existing. Problem of atheists is that they assume logic is above God, which contradicts definition of God.

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#18 •••
@SatanLucy

Dude, when I was posting on debate art, you were not a pagan or a polytheist, so don't sit here and play like I don't know what you're talking about. Venus is not a creation god, and you know that.And if you don't know that, I suggest you better start looking things up before you post them.

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#19 •••
@Polytheistwitch
when I was posting on debate art, you were not a pagan or a polytheist


I was Christian for six months, but I am okay now.

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#20 •••
@Polytheistwitch
Venus is not a creation god


Not to Romans. But I cant imagine there being a God not involved in creation.

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#21 •••

You mention free will and then say God controls everything. Contradiction

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#22 •••
@SatanLucy
First existence can only be created from non-existence or not be created at all. I dont see why this is so difficult to understand.


Because it's a logical contradiction, which makes it incoherent (aka unable to be understood) by definition.


So it doesnt matter which theory of first existence you believe in, creation from non-existence, or eternal existence, both support God.


Of course it does, because God is just a plug in for the point at which we cannot know anything further.


God, defined as supreme being above logic, cannot be in any way stopped from existing. Problem of atheists is that they assume logic is above God, which contradicts definition of God.


Yeah, this is the problem.


To define something as being "above logic" by definition makes your claim irrational. At that point there is no longer a purpose in continuing a conversation with you because there are no rules. You can make things up that feel good to you, so I can just do the same. I always liked unicorns, so I guess those are real too. So are dragons, bigfoot, martians... Whatever we want, it's all real because logic doesn't matter so there's no mechanism left to refute them.



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#23 •••
@SatanLucy

The assertion that "not all gods were involved in creation" is accurate, as creation myths and theological doctrines vary across different religions and cultures; for example, in monotheism, a single God creates, while in Buddhism, deities exist but are not creators of the universe. In Hinduism, creation is a complex process involving multiple deities like Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva, each playing a distinct role. 





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#24 •••
@Debby
Because God created everything that exists, then atheists too were created by God.


"Because" must be absolutely true, and your "because" is only partially so. My parents had direct cause in my creation, while God's involvement specifically in each of us is secondly, at best. That's the way he designed the system. But, sconce the brain, even at birth, is not yet in full, developmental function, and will not be for the ensuing 25 years, Atheists, in effect, create themselves, just as believers do.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#25 •••
@Debby

So GOD created itself.


Otherwise, it doesn't exist.


Therefore it would not be possible for anything to exist.


Same old conundrum.


Ah...So GOD doesn't need to be created.


Ah...therefore "everything that exists" didn't need creating.


Ah...But. Some old semi-desert inhabiting ignoramuses said so, and you cannot argue with them.


That's because they died.

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#26 •••
@Double_R
Because it's a logical contradiction


No, there is no 3rd option there.


because God is just a plug in for the point at which we cannot know anything further


I think you misunderstood. The only two theories of existence which are possible both support idea of unconditional first existence. If existence is unconditional, then anything can exist, including God.

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#27 •••
@Double_R
To define something as being "above logic" by definition makes your claim irrational. At that point there is no longer a purpose in continuing a conversation with you because there are no rules. You can make things up that feel good to you, so I can just do the same. I always liked unicorns, so I guess those are real too. So are dragons, bigfoot, martians... Whatever we want, it's all real because logic doesn't matter so there's no mechanism left to refute them.


So you think logic is above God. But that contradicts with definition of God. You may think it makes claim irrational, but the fact remains that once we place God above logic, no logic can be used to even question God's existence. You may think being above logic is irrational, but I dont see any proof that God cannot be above logic, when God is above logic by definition. So if you accept the definition of God as is, it leads to conclusion that God must exist, because God who is above logic cannot be stopped by anything.

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#28 •••
@Polytheistwitch
I know you guys feel like you have to come in here and tell every single person on every single post that there's no god


The reason why they have to do that is because atheism has no values. Lack of belief in God is not a value and can exist in an ordinary rock as well as in animals such as chicken. So rock can be atheist and chicken can be atheist. So truly, atheism is just a lack of certain value. Atheists have to go around saying that they lack this value, because atheism itself has no values it can show. Atheism has no moral system, has no belief system, has no starting premise. Atheist can never come and say "atheism stands for this", because atheism by their own definition doesnt stand for anything except anti-value.

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#29 •••
@fauxlaw

God created humans and enabled them to multiply. It’s in the Bible the story of creation.

Because God created everything that exists, then atheists too were created by God.

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#30 •••
@SatanLucy
I dont see any proof that God cannot be above logic


The proof is the use of logic itself. If you are using it, then God cannot be above it. If you are not using it, then you are literally not even thinking coherently, at which point nothing you say has any meaning.


God is above logic by definition


Definitions require the application of logic in order to make sense. You cannot define something as being above logic any more than I can define a 4 sided triangle into existence.


So if you accept the definition of God as is, it leads to conclusion that God must exist


And how did you reach that conclusion? What did you use to get there?

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