Effect of mass and reverse effect of mass - Science of goal achieving and how it applies to religion

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Effect of mass is considered one of most important principles in warfare, chess, and all science and strategy.


What is effect of mass, in most simple terms?


Effect of mass means that doing more increases chances of doing something correct.


Effect of mass means that doing more things increases chances of correct thing being included in them.


Effect of mass in more complicated terms means that doing much greater number of different things which could be correct greatly increases chances of one correct thing being done.


Lets say A, B, C, D each have 25% chance to be correct.


Now, doing only A would leave you with 25% chance to be correct, where doing all of those: A, B, C, D increases chances of including correct thing much more than 25%.


this strategy is applied in warfare, where a crucial target is attacked by multiple different things at same time to increase chances of target being destroyed and increase percentage of destruction.


In chess, effect of mass is used where multiple different moves are considered, as a way to find best move among the conisdered ones. the more moves you consider, the greater the chance of considering best move.


In science, many different studies are needed to increase chance of study being correct and reduce chance for mistake and human error.


In trade, effect of mass is used where having contact with more people and having more things to sell increases chances of one thing being sold.


In brain development, being focused on many different things is better than constantly and repeatedly focusing on just one thing over and over, because the former is learning new, the latter is just forever repeating what is already known. Applying more things which increase intelligence is better than applying only 1 thing for more increase in intelligence.


Effect of mass simply works in this way:

  1. Considering many different things
  2. Excluding things which wont achieve goal
  3. Doing mass of things which could achieve goal
  4. Chance of goal being achieved is increased.



Now, there is also reverse effect of mass, which is something entirely different, a whole different principle which is usually mentioned in religious debates.


Reverse effect of mass means doing less things reduces chances of doing incorrect thing which could cause a goal to not be achieved.


Reverse effect of mass isnt commonly accepted in strategies where goal is known, because goal is rarely achieved by doing nothing.


However, if goal is to do nothing, or if doing nothing achieves a goal, reverse effect of mass applies.


But this is common argument in religion: We dont know what goal has God set for us, and that goal could be to simply do nothing, and if we do something, goal isnt achieved.


Also, there could be anti-goals, where God doesnt want us to do certain things, and when we dont know what those things are, doing anything increases chances of doing incorrect thing.


But problem with this argument is that there is a chance God doesnt want us to do nothing, so doing nothing could be bad as well.


this is why reverse effect of mass doesnt work for religion, but effect of mass does.


Doing more things, more different prayers, more different good deeds, more divine conversations, more religious drawings and more different symbols, more different ways of worshipping God, practicing many names for God, religious sounds and music, more different offerings... increases option-chances of some correct thing being done there.


So even if some incorrect things are done, many correct things would likely be done too, if we go by option-percentage, which is number of chosen options to number of possible options ratio.

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#2 •••
@SatanLucy

"More is always better" is 

a popular, yet often false, idea, challenged by concepts like diminishing returns(too much of a good thing becomes bad, like overeating), positional goods (where relative status matters more than absolute wealth), and the Mean Girls musical, which explores how chasing "more" can lead to losing oneself, highlighting that less of something negative (stress, clutter) is better, while true fulfillment often comes from balance, not excess. 

Why "more" isn't always better:

  1. Diminishing Marginal Utility: Each additional unit of something provides less satisfaction than the one before it; a first slice of pizza is great, the tenth is not.
  2. Positional Concerns: People often care more about being better off relative to others than simply having more in an absolute sense (e.g., a bigger house in a poor neighborhood vs. a smaller one in a rich one).
  3. Overwhelm & Clutter: Too many possessions can lead to stress and a cluttered environment, while too many social obligations can leave no time for oneself.
  4. Loss of Self: In Mean Girls, the character Cady learns that constantly seeking "more" (popularity, possessions) makes her lose touch with who she truly is, finding more peace and stars (literal and metaphorical) in solitude. 

When "more" might seem better (and why it's still complex):

  1. Basic Needs: More money, food, or security is generally better until basic needs are met.
  2. Experiences: More travel or learning can be enriching, but quality and balance matter. 

Ultimately, the idea that "more is better" often collapses under scrutiny, with quality, balance, and personal well-being proving more valuable than sheer quantity. 


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#3 •••
@Debby
"More is always better" is 
a popular, yet often false, idea



that depends on what goal is. Also, effect of mass isnt using all resources for one single goal, just an overuse of different good resources to make sure top priority goal is achieved. If something doesnt achieve a goal, no point in adding more of it.

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@SatanLucy

The phrase "sometimes more is a solution" plays on the common adage "less is more." It challenges the conventional wisdom that simplicity is always best, suggesting that in certain situations, a more complex, multi-faceted, or substantial approach is necessary to solve a problem effectively

This idea can be understood in several contexts:

  1. Complexity Requires Complexity: For genuinely complex or deeply rooted issues, a simple, "neat" solution is often inadequate and might even create new, unforeseen problems. The quote attributed to Thomas Sowell captures this well: "On closer scrutiny, it turns out that many of today's problems are a result of yesterday's solutions". This implies that a more comprehensive approach is needed to address all variables.
  2. Going Beyond the Obvious: Sometimes the immediate, simple answer avoids the real underlying issue. As some sources suggest, you might need to lean into discomfort or shift your perspective to find a more robust solution that fosters genuine growth, rather than a quick fix.
  3. Thoroughness Over Shortcuts: The idea of "more" can also refer to a more thorough process. For example, spending more time defining a problem can make the eventual solution much clearer and more effective.
  4. Context is Key: While Occam's Razor suggests the simplest solution should be considered first, there are exceptions. Sometimes, the more complicated answer is the right one because it fully addresses the nuances of the situation. 

In essence, the phrase advocates for a thoughtful approach to problem-solving, recognizing that a superficial fix is not always the best path and a more involved solution may be required for a lasting result.


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#5 •••
@Debby
less is more


Less is never more, unless you find way to achieve goal with less resources. You can never use less resources than necessary to achieve a goal and still achieve a goal. Effect of mass is just using more resources than needed to achieve a goal and having some variety of equally good things to achieve it, to prevent accidentally failing to achieve a goal, because getting resources to exactly just enough is often impossible because it is often unknown what enough is. However, using less resources than necessary to achieve a goal is a guaranteed failure in achieving a goal.


Military strategies are always using the strong and concentrated mass to attack the crucial part of enemy forces, and that part must be weaker than the attacking force or attack fails. this is why in military warfare, picking targets is more important than merely having some great power.

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#6 •••
@SatanLucy

So how come with all the great military power, America has not won a war yet. America had to withdraw in disgrace from Vietnam, N Korea, Afghanistan and Iraq.

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#7 •••
@Debby

Modern warfare ain't so easy.


Russians also find this.


Though the Americans did find that nuclear weapons are an effective deterrent.

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#8 •••
@SergeantLynch

That is why America picks wars against non nuclear countries. Eg. Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc.

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#9 •••
@Debby

Obviously true.


Will Venezuela be the next phoney U.S. escapade.


Not weapons of mass destruction but narcotics of mass intoxication.


Not that The U.S. isn't a nation of prescription drug addicts anyway.


Though the Orange man will want to sort out a few Syrians first.

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#10 •••
@SergeantLynch

Trump has picked a strange path to the Nobel Peace Prize.

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#11 •••
@Debby

Yep. One got the impression, that he assumed his dynamic charisma alone could save the World.


Realising his mistake, he has since reverted to the U.S. default setting of tough guy bombing the fuck out of soft targets.

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#12 •••
@SergeantLynch

America has always picked on weaker targets. Eg Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan and Iraq.

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