If These Were Not Jesus' Own Contradictory Words....

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.....then the who put them into the mouth of the Christ?


Equal then not equal


 John 10:30 " I and the Father are one".  

John 14:28 “ I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I" .


I judge then I don't judge 


John 5:22 , 30. " Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son. By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just".

John 8:15   " You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.

John 12:47 " I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.


I am my own witness and it is true. Then It is not true.


John 8:14 “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going".

John 5:31  “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true.


John 33-34  “You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth. 34 Not that I accept human testimony; but I mention it that you may be saved.

John 15:27 "And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.


Before the default excuse of "CONTEXT!" is raised, let me draw your attention to the fact that these verses are all from the same gospel. 


And if they are not in "CONTEXT!" then anyone is welcome to put these contradictions into "CONTEXT! for us showing us all how they make perfect sense when they are read in "context" . 


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#2 •••
@Stephen

But, but, but thats metaphorical!!!

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#3 •••
@Stephen

Biblical scholars have gone through the entire Bible and found various explanations for what would appear to be minor contradictions. But on investigation the full context of the quote. These minor differences were explained. It has to do with context and its translation. The Bible has been translated into 776 languages. And yet Christianity is growing.

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 "Debby Wrote: It has to do with context and its translation. 



You obviously intentionally missed this part of the OP .


Stephen wrote: Before the default excuse of "CONTEXT!" is raised, let me draw your attention to the fact that these verses are all from the same gospel. 


And if they are not in "CONTEXT!" then anyone is welcome to put these contradictions into "CONTEXT! for us showing us all how they make perfect sense when they are read in "context" . 


So when you are ready.

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#5 •••
@Stephen

The Bible is made up of 66 books by different authors on different subjects written over time. Taking what is written in context is extremely important.

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"Debby Wrote: It has to do with context and its translation. 



Stephen wrote: You obviously intentionally missed this part of the OP .

 Before the default excuse of "CONTEXT!" is raised, let me draw your attention to the fact that these verses are all from the same gospel. 

And if they are not in "CONTEXT!" then anyone is welcome to put these contradictions into "CONTEXT! for us showing us all how they make perfect sense when they are read in "context" . 
So when you are ready.


"Debby wrote: The Bible is made up of 66 books by different authors on different subjects written over time. Taking what is written in context is extremely important.

Your response neither answers the OP nor does it put those contradictions into "Context. You accused my of that old chestnut of taking things out of context. So here is your chance to put them into context. So again , When you are ready!


here they are again:


Equal then not equal


 John 10:30 " I and the Father are one".  

John 14:28 “ I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I" .


I judge then I don't judge 


John 5:22 , 30. " Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son. By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just".

John 8:15   " You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.

John 12:47 " I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.


I am my own witness and it is true. Then It is not true.


John 8:14 “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going".

John 5:31  “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true.



John 33-34  “You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth. 34 Not that I accept human testimony; but I mention it that you may be saved.

John 15:27 "And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.


Before the default excuse of "CONTEXT!" is raised, let me draw your attention to the fact that these verses are all from the same gospel. 


And if they are not in "CONTEXT!" then anyone is welcome to put these contradictions into "CONTEXT! for us showing us all how they make perfect sense when they are read in "context" . 


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#7 •••
@Stephen

Those are the words spoken by Jesus and each can be explained when taken in context of what he was trying to say. That is why it is important to view the Bible as inspired because to the average Skeptical reader the Bible often appears beyond his comprehension. Just like the struggles you are having with different verses in the Bible. Most Christians would have no difficulty accepting the same quotes and truthful and factual.

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#8 •••
@Debby
Those are the words spoken by Jesus and each can be explained when taken in context of .

Good. Then explain them in context for us.

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#9 •••
@Stephen
Joh 10:30 “I and the Father are one.”

jesus was saying he and the Father were united in purpose….as one.

John 14:28 “I am going to the Father, for thefather is greater than I.”

jesus was going to heaven to join his Father. He showed his respect for his Fathers authority.

john 5:22-30 “Moreover the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgement to his Son. By myself I can do nothing, I judge only as I hear, and my judgement is just.”

jesus explains the Father no longer judges , but has entrusted that authority to Jesus. Jesus can do nothing without the authority coming from his Father.

john 12:47 I do not judge that person, For I did not come to judge the world , but to save the world.”

jesus says his main mission is not to judge the world but to save it.


it appears you need every verse in the Bible explained to you even when it is written in plain English.. Trying finding a translation you can understand.

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@Debby

t appears you need every verse in the Bible explained to you


Nope: only those that clearly and blatantly contradict themselves .Which is something you in particular are incapable of doing.

Not a single one of those verse point to the so-called trinity. Indeed they clear point to the fact that Jesus and god (the father) are undoubtedly two separate entities.

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#11 •••
@Stephen
Indeed they clear point to the fact that Jesus and God (the Father) are undoubtedly two separate entities.

In mainstream Christian Theology, Jesus and the Father are understood as two distinct persons, (or hypostases) who share one inseparable divine nature or essence (homoousion) making the one God not two. This doctrine of the trinity defines them as co-equal and co-eternal, acting in perfect unity while maintaining separate roles.

You are not a practicing Christian so you wouldn’t know the truth.

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I don't care what "mainstream Christian Theology" says. I can only go by the bibl. Just you yourself have said many times that you only need the bible.

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@Stephen

You are not a practicing Christian, so you wouldn’t know the truth. Your lack of education makes it harder for you to read and understand the Bible. If you went by the Bible you wouldn’t be posting all your doubts but trying to have the Bible answer your questions. You are trying to make a mockery of the Bible with your limited education and comprehension skills. Your place is in hell.

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You are not a practicing Christian, so you wouldn’t know the truth.


Your opinion of me counts for nothing.

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@Stephen

Those are your confession of not being a practicing Christian and also confessing you do not have enough education. But the person controlling you is Satan. You have fallen into his trap.

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Why do Christians need to practice.

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@SergeantLynch

They have to practice what they preach.

Christians practice their faith 

to connect with God, strengthen their community, and foster spiritual growth, treating it as a way of life rather than just a belief system.

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@Debby

Faith is misplaced or not.


And to strengthen a community people need to connect with each other and foster friendship rather than religious separatism.


And for sure, a belief system is either a waste of time or not.


And the way of life is mostly mudanity and sleep with the occasional time for leisure pursuits such as cycling or religious clubs.

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@SergeantLynch

Religion bring people together as people open their hearts. They become united in their goals and worship.

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