Catholic Church contradicted itself on these issues

Prove that this "13th century word salad isn't proof".

Hahahahahahahaha.

It isn't because it isn't because it's simply deceptive 13th century word salad that cannot prove anything, but will deceive the gullible as intended.

You prove that it is proof, and that Abe met a god up a mountain...And then the case is closed...Simple.

Jesus served a full meal at the last supper.

Debby wrote:

Jesus served a full meal at the last supper.

Aperitif, starter, wine, fish course, more wine, main, dessert, cheese and biscuits, coffee and mints, brandy.

Who did the cooking and washing up?

Or was it just falafels and an orange.

Or did he do the fish sandwich trick again.

The women did the cooking. That is why they were absent from the dinner table.

Why is it that you are too cowardly to defend any claim you make? Must I keep having to blame your parents for brainwashing you so? As whether I have to prove they are proofs, I do not. You asked me for proofs, and I gave them to you. You claimed that they are not proofs. You have yet to give valid reasons as to why they aren't other than that they are "word salad" to you, I assume this means you merely do not understand what's being said (which wouldn't surprise me). As to your comments on Abraham, as I said earlier, my points of discussion are the Quinquae Viae, if you cannot even properly address logic and reason, something you seem to lack, then I cannot even begin to address any portion of the Bible, although the Quinquae Viae aren't dependent on the Bible.

If I am going to meet you at your level of reasoning than I merely say that they are proof and that's it. If you want to reason like a child I will respond in kind.

The Quinque Viae (Five Ways) are five logical arguments for the existence of God presented by St. Thomas Aquinas in his 13th-century work, the Summa Theologica. Critics often dismiss them as flawed due to reliance on Aristotelian physics, undefined causation, and assumptions that do not align with modern scientific understanding.

Common Criticisms

1. Philosophical Obsolescence: Arguments are built on Aristotelian concepts of motion and causality that modern physics (e.g., quantum mechanics) challenges.
2. Logical Fallacies: Critics argue the premises (e.g., "everything needs a cause") contradict the conclusion (God does not need a cause), constituting special pleading.
3. Definition of God: The arguments may prove a "prime mover" or "first cause," but critics argue they do not substantiate the specific attributes of the Christian God (e.g., benevolence, omniscience).
4. Teleological Flaws: The evolutionary theory of natural selection provides a non-intelligent explanation for the complexity and regularity observed in nature, undermining the need for a designer.

Debby wrote:

The women did the cooking. That is why they were absent from the dinner table.

Which women?

The claim is, Abe met a god up a mountain.

I do not claim that he either did or didn't...It's the Judeo-Christian claim, so prove it and the case is closed.

Aquinas's word salad some 2000 years or more later, doesn't prove a sausage...And the idea that it can is a daft one..

A so B so C so D so C so E so there...Yep, brilliant...Abe must have met a god up a mountain.

So check my back catalogue and you will find that I often promote the idea of super-intelligent interventionism...But that's not the issue...The issue is the basis of the Judeo-Christian claim, and the lack of evidence thereof.

You are the one who is trying to avoid with Catholic deception.

The women that followed Jesus, like Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Susanna, Salome , Mary the mother of James, Mary and Martha.

"There is no credible evidence for the existence of an actual pre-universal creator GOD."

This is what your claim was two weeks ago, wherein I responded that the Quinquae Viae are my evidence. Your only response has been "it's word salad". You have refused to engage on the topic because you view it as such. You have given no logical reason as to why it doesn't constitute evidence other than, "word salad" and "anybody can claim anything". Sensational work!

"The claim is, Abe met a god up a mountain. I do not claim that he either did or didn't..."

Here, again, you actually have claimed that he didn't. You have already stated on various occasions that it is all a fantasy, meaning it isn't real. Your grounds for declaring this is you haven't received what you deem sufficient evidence, which is an argument from ignorance (argumentum ad ignorantiam). Yet for someone who wants to try and say that he neither knows nor doesn't know this is hypocrisy. Also, above I cited your original claim where I presented the Quinquae Viae. As I stated prior to this claim that you want presented, I cannot engage and will not until we discuss the Quinquae Viae. You refuse to discuss the Quinquae Viae I refuse to address the claim you want to discuss. It's that simple.

As to your claim of deception, I have repeated myself multiple times and have been straightforward. You made an original claim that you no longer want to discuss, that's your issue not mine. The problem is you want to control the situatuion and I won't let you. You want to discuss the God of Abraham, yet don't want to discuss whether a god exists being that you allege, contradictorily, you don't know if one exists. You think so illogically that you're on the level of that guy Mal that's on this site.

Religion is widely understood by anthropologists and psychologists as a human invention developed to address fundamental psychological and social needs in early human societies.

Key reasons for its creation include:

1. Control over the unknown: Early humans used rituals and deities to explain unpredictable natural events like weather, disease, and death, reducing feelings of powerlessness and fear.
2. Social cohesion and order: As groups grew from small tribes to larger agrarian societies, religion provided a shared identity, moral codes, and a system of laws to unify diverse people and maintain order without centralized police forces.
3. Enhanced self-control and cooperation: Research suggests religious belief enhances self-discipline and encourages prosocial behavior, allowing larger groups of strangers to cooperate and survive.
4. Existential comfort: The concept of an afterlife and divine judgment helped humans cope with the terror of mortality and provided meaning to suffering.

While many religious traditions view faith as divinely revealed, the secular view holds that these systems were constructed by humans to ensure survival, facilitate group cooperation, and provide psychological stability in a chaotic world.

Hey, Abe might have been spot on or as high as a kite...I have no way of knowing and neither do you and neither did Thomas Aquinas.

But what I do know is that word salad alone is not going to prove the fact or fantasy of Abe's visionary experience... The science of the issue needs to be much more thorough.

And therefore as things stand every ensuing deistic/theistic expectation or ritual or conflict or pseudo-science of the past few thousand years is not founded in a known revelation of a GOD, but in human overthought and theo-political social control of resources and consequent wealth and status...Though as I always say, everything that occurs is real, so the reality of the past few thousand years has nonetheless played a significant role in dictating material evolution...GOD principle indeed, but no apparent, actual MANGOD, so the analogy is reasonable enough though the MANGOD idea remains ideological only.

So, acceptance of a GOD principle only really requires one step, "Cogito, ergo sum"... Whereas the acceptance of a MANGOD or essential being needs much more persuasion...Perhaps not quite such brutal persuasion these days, but I suppose that it depends a great deal upon place, ideological system and level of evolved tolerance or intolerance.

One does not have to accept God, God has created the universe we live in. All we have to do is live.