"Theory helps us bear our ignorance of fact."

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The title of this string is a quote from 19th/20th-century philosopher George Santayana. He was talking about how we escape, to our peril, from embracing what is uncomfortable fact by satisfaction with theory.


Theory, such as what was once called "global warming," because we thought, then, that each year, the average world temperature was rising. That claim was debunked when, in 2018, President Trump pulled the U.S. out of the Paris Accord, a climate change UN directive established in 2016, under the Obama administration, to which the United States was contributing the greatest percentage of financial support, because we were convinced climate change was an existential threat.


When we pulled out, the world cried foul, screamed at the moon, and tore their hair out for the U.S. affront to their sensitive brains, making more sensitive, still. One would think by now, that NOOA [National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association] would have standardized by the same measurement method and equipment and locations, alloweiong for technical improvement of measurement. However, NOOA says of itself


"NOAA's global temperature records have never been collected using the exact same measurement methods, equipment, or unchanging station locations for any length of time, because the global observing network has continuously evolved and expanded since records began in 1850. Instead of relying on identical static equipment or fixed locations, scientists maintain long-term consistency by tracking temperature anomalies (the difference from a long-term average) rather than absolute temperatures." https://psl.noaa.gov/data/gridded/data.noaaglobaltemp.html


By the way, while one would think NOOA resides within a technical cocoon, it is actually within the U.S. Department of Commerce. That's science? It's commerce, certainly, but...


Carl Jung once said, "The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong."

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Since Trump pulled out of the Paris accord summer 2026 broke historic heat records and saw a rise in forest fires.

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@fauxlaw

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@SkepticalOne

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Debby,


You're actually going to cry to me that because Trump pulled the majority financial backing of the Paris Accord, forest fires and heat records resulted? really?

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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Canada had the worst forest fires in decades.

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@fauxlaw
That claim was debunked when, in 2018, President Trump pulled the U.S. out of the Paris Accord,


That's not how claims are debunked. I think you might be suffering from TDS.

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Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way. - Christopher Hitchens

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@SkepticalOne

The California fires got worse after Trump scaled back on climate change funding.

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@SkepticalOne

My friend, you must have missed why the claim of "global warming/climate change" was debunked:

From my initial post:


"One would think by now, that NOOA [National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association] would have standardized by the same measurement method and equipment and locations, alloweiong for technical improvement of measurement. However, NOOA says of itself 


"NOAA's global temperature records have never been collected using the exact same measurement methods, equipment, or unchanging station locations for any length of time..."



How in the hell do you expect accurate data when NOAA, itself, admits it does not standardize measurement equipment, method, or location to assure that data remains consistently sensitive to movement in measurement results? Those standards are not just critical, but absolutely, urgently necessary to ensure acceptable data is used. I am a former certified Six Sigma Black Belt. I lived and breathed statistics for 30 years of my life, NOAAA's admission is a bad joke, and worse for funding. It would not surprise me that Trump pulled out of the Paris Accord for just that reason. Why throw money, more than any other nation, was throwing by far - to a failure of methodology?


I don't trust the accuracy of the data in your little graph [#3] for squat. Nor NOAA. Must be an acronym for Never Orderly Accurate Arithmetic.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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@fauxlaw

Were you not aware there are other sources of temperature data (utilizing separate methods) that all corroborate the same 'the planet is warming' conclusion?




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@SkepticalOne

Sure, I was aware, but just because I see something written, I'm supposed to believe its validity?

Particularly when it comes to statistical data - and this climate change crap is all about the data - there are a few questions I must have valid answers to before I ever trust the data to be accurate, repeatable, & reproducible:

  1. Are the features identified to be measured the features that will accurately provide relative data to reflect what is needed for expected design performance and statistical analysis?
  2. Do those features to be measured have adequate tolerance bands to qualify those features to design quality expectations?
  3. Is the measurement equipment specified for these features capable to a factor of 10x trighter than the features' design tolerance bands?
  4. Have all measurement equipment specified for use been calibrated on schedule and is the last calibration recorded and still in force?
  5. Was calibration performed on all measurement equipment by a qualified technician [proven by training records on file], and is the calibration report on file for each measurement equipment?
  6. Does each piece of measurement equipment have an associated Gage Repeatability & Reproducibility report on file?
  7. Are all measurement technicians qualified by training results on each measurement equipment, and are the training records on file?
  8. Are the raw data collection sheets of features measurement results recorded and on file?
  9. Do all features measurement data demonstrate six sigma standard deviation results, or better, on all featutes measurements?
  10. Where corrective/preventive action is required on any of the previous questions that fail to meet the standard, are such actions taken, certified, recorded, and filed for review?


With acceptable answers to these questions satisfied, now I'll look at the raw data, and the statistical analysis from it.


If these questions are not satisfactorily answered, I distrust the data. Period. In my career, I failed more companies than I accepted because they simply waffled on answers to these questions, so I trust statistical data on climate change measurement about as far as I can throw a garbage data sheet into the wind.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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@fauxlaw

LOL Faux, still flogging the same old dead horse...You'll be telling us next that vast new reserves of crude oil are being laid down as we speak.


And that Al Gore is the antichrist.


And that your saviour, (the one you won't openly worship in public), is truly omniscient.

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@SergeantLynch

China now leads the world in environmental protection by producing energy renewables like windmills and EV.

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@fauxlaw

By your own words, climate change is debunked by NOAA's insufficient standards. When many other sources corroborating their internal corroboration is presented, you move the goalposts to require more corroboration.


This has been my experience with climate change deniers - denial for the sake of denial, not because it is warranted.

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Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way. - Christopher Hitchens

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@SkepticalOne

Human activities are the principal cause of global warming.confirmed by the InterGovernmental Panel on climate change and other major scientific organizations.

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Its also interesting that corral reefs are dying due to heat shock. They've survived millions of years but suddenly when the industrial age comes around they fold. Wonder why that is?

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@SergeantLynch
You'll be telling us next


Yes, crude oil, being completely organic, is now in production, and has been for a couple of billion years, and counting, for as long as life continues to exist on Earth. Yes, that's called "renewable."


No, Al Gore is not an antichrist; he lacks the brain cells to reach that low. He's just an inconvenient pothole in the road.


I openly worship my Savior and Redeemer every day. He is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.


And just posted what I'm telling you next in Culture.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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@SkepticalOne
This has been my experience with climate change deniers


I do not deny that climate changes. Of course it does. Nor am I the one who claims it must not change by more than ±1.5º C, am I? Of course, it must change, and by more than a sliver. This is not Camelot. And we're not overpopulated, either. We're piss-poor at land management.


I'll give you an example of forward thinking by a people we call ancient, when maybe they had the right idea all along;



The above is the Egyptian hieroglyph word for "sand." It is pronounced /shay/. It is read L-to-R, beginning with the upper left glyph, which represents a pool of water. Wishful thinking, or just a desire for what once was, but is now gone? A rainforest where now there is just sand, now called the Sahara. All that happened before human existence on Earth, so, yes, we are responsible for some climate change, but not the whole bloody thing.


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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

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Don’t people see their electricity bills go up because of long need for air conditioning because of warmer temperatures?

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@Debby

Actually, our electricity consumption has been going down, thanks to warmer winters.


And fortunately in Wales there is not much call for air conditioning.


Though rising energy prices does mean that we have to shell out more for what we do use.

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@SergeantLynch

Canada had the hottest summer in decades.

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@Debby

Yes, enjoy it whilst it lasts.


And for sure, even here in Wales the number of days when one could comfortably go for a bike ride in just a T-shirt and shorts increased from two or three to maybe two or three dozen...Will next year be as good...We will have to wait and see.


And wildfires certainly increased here, due in the main to the human propensity for playing with fire.


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@SergeantLynch

Not all of Europe escape the climate change. Spain, Portugal, France, Greece, Türkiye faced persistent drought, uncontrollable fires scorching thousands of hectares and prompting massive evacuations.

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@Debby

Yep, such is progress.

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@SergeantLynch

It is not progress, it is climate change.

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@Debby

Progress is unstoppable...Even though it may not conform with human expectations and needs.


A rising average global temperature and all that it entails, progresses just as all events do.

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@SergeantLynch

Raising temperatures results in global warming which is not progress for the planet.

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@Debby

Today follows yesterday just as one temperature follows another.


What you mean to say is; rising temperatures are not necessarily beneficial for humans and human societies.

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@SergeantLynch

Climate change is not good for the planet. It causes droughts, dry weather causes forest fires.

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@Debby

Well, the planet doesn't care...It will keep spinning and orbiting for as long as it will...That's with or without humans and trees...Mars seems to cope okay.

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