Suikoden Mafia DP1

^ Replying to #200

Wf 100 percent slipped.

skep confirmed prior this is only suikoden 1 references.

new state does not show up at all in game 1

If you give me any theory on what TP could be , I would entertain it. 

I will bet damn near anything on the fact TP cannot recruit. Max's PM basically implies it heavily. Toran is the one recruiting and that thematically makes sense. There is only one TP in this game I could think of and it would make more sense as a TP SK or something. 

but largely town is scarlet 

toran is a primary cult or primary scum and can recruit. I am like near positive about this based on what Max posted and my own PM.

I think the whole TP thing is a distraction. It could literally be anything. I think you’re on the right page with the soft claims. Didn’t you say there could only be like 5-6 legit Scarlet Empire people? I think we’re up to like 7 or 8 now.

Vtl whiteflame

this is a slip

new state is suikoden 2

this is suikoden 1

...dude, I'm reading his wikipedia article.

It doesn't say his affiliation in my PM, so I had to go digging. All it says there is that it's his mission to hunt down Yuber. I don't know how you expected me to answer your question without looking there, or why it's a slip to point out everything I found.

I am Scarlet.

I still am not comfortable with Mikal, but there should be no harm in claiming Scarlet since every other claim so far has been Scarlet, although that's what scum would do.

Skep would not put suikoden 2 reference in this.

much less as a faction. New state is the entire plot of the second game

Oh. Interesting.

So do you think this is a blunder from Whiteflame? If so, how could that have happened? Cause Whiteflame doesn't strike me as the type of guy to do something like that as scum (not without sudden pressure like in Jet Fighters).

Either way I’m keeping my vote there

Pesmerga is also toran

he directly opposes scarlet and is not associated with them at all.

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Just to be clear, I'll paraphrase the details of what was sent with my character:

I'm the Black Knight. It's my mission to hunt down Yuber, I'm obsessed with it. I apparently don't seem to age, no one has ever seen my eyes, and I have the Crimson Sword.

Does your role PM mention any factions he was in?

Whiteflame, I'd like more information about what you mean by member of the New State Army, as much as you can give me without toeing the line of copy-pasting your PM.

Maybe whiteflame and/or Rex poorly worded the fact that their character is loyal to the Empire now, i.e., at the cross-section in time our roles are based off of, and his membership in the New State Army is "current" as of the most recent canon. How far does the canon Suikoden timeline extend?

*shrug* If you're going to scumread me for my character, there's not much I can do about that, especially given what you think the theme split is. I know it's not correct, but I am an outlier, that much is clear.

He's claiming he read the New State Army bit from the wiki and it wasnt in his PM

Not sure if it’s a blunder.

it’s a massive outlier.

Yuber the person pesmerga is chasing is a general in scarlet moon and contracted by barbosa and windy to fight the toran liberation.

he directly opposes the town faction in this game and is not associated with toran at all

I think he was looking up wiki and said new state which is not even found in game 1. I think this is a fake claim and I don’t see this being town at all. He’s not claiming his character as mafia. Pesmerga would not be scum

wf is prob Odessa

ok, but why not just say he was an empire member? That's the one thing I'm having trouble getting around.

Whiteflame, I'd like more information about what you mean by member of the New State Army, as much as you can give me without toeing the line of copy-pasting your PM.

I've given as much info as was presented in my PM about my character in post #219. It did not mention the New State Army. I was asked by both Mikal and Wryly to state whether I was Scarlet or Toran. It wasn't in the post, so I looked it up. That's how I found the info on the New State Army, which appears to be his current affiliation in the games.

If you are uber pls claim. you should not be recruitable and it scum locks wf

he prob found a fake claim and was not given one and goofed. I don’t think skep gave this as a fake claim

almost 10 people are scarlet and his character literally exists to hunt uber. Who I would bet is in this game

Not sure how to take this tbh. I had just been trying to figure out how the New State Army fit into the events of Suidoken when Mikal said its actually from Suidoken II. I could see WF perhaps reading it from the wiki, but I took "it says..." to mean his PM. People usually convey information from their PM first before the wiki

If he was gonna fake claim it's wild that he didn't fake claim an Empire character

New state has nothing to do with this game. It happens in suikoden 2 with rio

pesmerga is in both games.

i don’t think skep put Pesmerga as town. It’s an offshoot tp or a fucked up claim but if scarlet is town pesmerga is not town

There are very few you can claim

in scarlet tbh.

at least depending on the theme.

but on god that claim is scummy as shit.

It's late and I'm exhausted. I will be available much of the day to respond to more questions, but this is all I have for answers right now anyway. If it takes a full claim, I'll give it. It is easy to verify.

I would be damn near anything uber is in this game and town. He’s one of the generals in scarlet. Not the 6 main ones but hired directly to serve windy and barbosa who are town locks

There is 0 chance i prob come off whiteflame. Someone needs to convince me that the entire town has claimed scarlet and the one person who is not scarlet literally is part of the Toran liberation army and their entire purpose is to hunt down one of the strongest people in the scarlet empire

he could be tp to be clear. But I don’t think he’s town

Was justification is directly from the wiki. Skep put way more into the characters than this. I’m killing wf

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wfs justification

I'm the Black Knight. It's my mission to hunt down Yuber, I'm obsessed with it. I apparently don't seem to age, no one has ever seen my eyes, and I have the Crimson Sword.

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wiki

He is a mysterious Black Knight, swho is in search of the chaotic Black Knight, Yuber. He uses a Crimson Sword, which is a sword that is imbued with runic power. This two-handed sword reaped countless lives on many battlefields.

Appearance

Pesmerga as a Black Knight with black hair, wears heavy black armor, which covers his entire body along with a red loincloth at the center of his greaves. He has on a giant black horned helmet which covers his eyes, which to this day no one has ever seen (except possibly Yuber). The armor has large spikes on the shoulder's as well as pointed boots. It also sports a distinctive yellow colored cape.

Pesmerga always seems to look the same in all his appearances, not seeming to have aged at all.

I can see a scenario where WF comes home tired from work, is asked to claim Toran/Scarlet, sees nothing to that effect in his PM, and reads from the wiki. I don't want to jump the gun here. The major point for me is that scum would be crazy to claim Toran affiliation. You've just pointed out an Empire character he could've fake claimed instead. There must be more Empire characters scum could use.

I've given as much info as was presented in my PM about my character in post #219.

I have been a good influence on you.

Wf is scum lock and im death tunneling

Post 236.

his claim is literally from the wiki

skeps info he gave has like 10x the depth of this and are very detailed. This is a copy pasta from the suikoden wiki