Suikoden Mafia DP1

Because math

if we leave him alive now we get an extra lynch and we are going into a lynch with more info

and we can always use him as the kill. I don’t think scum can keep recruiting. Prob x shot

so unless not killing him puts us as mylo. Let’s is take 2 shots with more info

Toran is scum but what David is heavily implying is that the game is written as the game starts. There are people who start as empire and end up with toran. But I’m pretty sure based on everything he is hinting that there are some

jebaits.

like tir is leader of the toran but if skep is writing this from the start of the game. Tir could be scarlet.

same thing with Mharm flip. Leon was toran at end of the game

Odessa could be yakzua

she does die

Even though I support WF's lynch, I do think he was telling the truth of being able to joint win with Town.

Because math 

if we leave him alive now we get an extra lynch and we are going into a lynch with more info 

and we can always use him as the kill. I don’t think scum can keep recruiting. Prob x shot 

so unless not killing him puts us as mylo. Let’s is take 2 shots with more info 

We have to waste a lynch on him anyways. You can’t get an extra lynch mathematically speaking. He’s proven to be unreliable.

In a 13p game, let’s say it’s 10-2-1. Right now it’s 9-2-1. With a lynch of the TP and NK, it will be 8-2. 6-2. 4-2 MYLO. Also consider that if there’s a Yakuza, a lynch on WF as TP would make it simply 9-2 tomorrow and we get 4 lynches.

Let’s say we don’t lynch the TP and No Lynch. It will be 8-2-1. Then 6-2-1. Then 4-2-1 (here we are forced to lynch WF or scum). Only 3 lynches possible (1 has to be on WF).

Let’s say there is a Yakuza. It’s 9-2-1. 7-2-1. 5-2-1 (here we are forced to lynch WF).

I guess it really depends on if we think there’s a Yakuza or not. But imo it better to get rid of WF here and avoid the unnecessary chaos we would get if he stays alive

Toran is scum but what David is heavily implying is that the game is written as the game starts. There are people who start as empire and end up with toran. But I’m pretty sure based on everything he is hinting that there are some

jebaits. 

like tir is leader of the toran but if skep is writing this from the start of the game. Tir could be scarlet. 

same thing with Mharm flip. Leon was toran at end of the game 

So again, why do you need to know his character. If this is your theory, then just list the names of characters this would apply to and we will sus them down the line

it would not be sus but the ones that fall

into this heavy

gremio

pawn

cleo

and tir

are the ones that are toran but could be town

Not promised they are but very likely

Odessa flik or victor are prob auto kills

Big question is if tir is scum

could be tir and ted

or Odessa flik victor.

some combo of that

ted is prob confirmed scum

On my way home but not happy with the way things have developed here.

First you said the theme wasnt basic then that it was as simple as the two factions in the game. First you said it was safe to character claim in defiance of mod warning, then that we shouldn't bc roles could be inferred from it, then that we should mass claim. You arbitrarily got our cop killed for vague reasons with no significant gains, and now that whiteflame has been burned by town and proven to be an effective tool for killing townies, you dont want to lynch anyone today. Youve been the greatest force urging us all to share our claims when if you're right we should be keeping those who can be recruited shrouded in anonymity. Not saying ive scumlocked you but why you're in anyone's town pile I have no idea.

And why tf is everyone blaming whiteflame for targeting Magic. He has no reason to shoot responsibly, hes TP; Mikal, however, had a reason to choose the target responsibly. If he's town.

Say nothing more about your character for the love of town Jesus christ

I said the theme likely was not simple because I started as scarlet lol and my pm also hints at a recruit mechanic.

there are a lot of ways skep could design this but by everyone claiming they are scaler and Mharma flip. It’s narrowing down the possibilities of the split

mharm not going to lie. Kinda thought wf was bluffing but is what it is. At least it gave us info and confirms the split is early game and not late game

Also this may be one of my fav outcomes for a day vig.

no you don’t , prove it pussy

*shoots*

fair enough

Bottomline is no more character claims or hints or anything of that nature. We need to make a decision on whether to lynch WF today or not.

I am in favor. He provides nothing to town right now and we’ll be forced to lynch him down the line anyways.

Pie - Yea

Mikal -

Wylted -

Thoth -

Whiteflame - No

Ultra -

Lunatic -

Earth -

Vader -

Kohai -

Max -

Wryly -

And why tf is everyone blaming whiteflame for targeting Magic. He has no reason to shoot responsibly, hes TP; Mikal, however, had a reason to choose the target responsibly. If he's town.

I agree with this, but Mikal said he thought WF was bluffing. Anyways, it’s partially Mharman’s fault too for being a retard.

Also, I’m confused why WF didn’t just claim Day Vig instead of TP Survivor. There’s something he’s clearly not telling us.

See above for why WF needs to die today

I need to do math on the no lynch but if we get the same number of shots. The yeah he has to die

Also, I’m confused why WF didn’t just claim Day Vig instead of TP Survivor. There’s something he’s clearly not telling us. 

Because claiming Day Vig would have given away my role and, as I’ve already said, there is apparently another role in this came that can be actively used to stop my shot. Whether town or scum has it, that tells me there’s at least one other day action. Up to you whether you believe that.

I agree with this, but Mikal said he thought WF was bluffing. Anyways, it’s partially Mharman’s fault too for being a retard.

Even if he suspected he was bluffing there was 0 reason to take that risk as town. Its like something scum would do on the off chance they could get an extra townie killed. I'd laugh my ass off about it too

As for whether to lynch WF, I think town has succeeded in engendering at best apathy and at worst spite in him and hes unlikely to want to help us atp, so yeah

I my defense I have not seen a day vig in a game in over 5 years. Most people bullshit or reaction test with it.

but tbh people are making it worse than what it was. Say he saved it and we didn’t sus him. That could have ended the game in favor of scum late game if he does happen to joint win. Don’t think he does but it’s possible

unfortunate that I called Mharm lol

He has no reason to lie but I’m genuinely curious why he claimed persmerga. He could have said uber and just been left alone the entire game.

uber is a super safe claim by itself. I thought he could be tp but he totally could be empire

not sure why he was given a fake claim or why he claimed it.

not sure why he was given a fake claim or why he claimed it. 

Don’t know why I was given one either. As for why I claimed it, this is my first exposure to either character. I assumed Pesmerga would be the safer claim since he was the fake claim. More fool me.

And just FYI, if I hadn’t been sussed, my aim would have been to wait until we had a couple of targets that were broadly sussed, pick between them, kill one and then announce it. Didn’t work out that way, so you only have my word for that.

Yeah

just find it so odd persmerga was your fake claim

makes me curious about if I do have the theme right.

for a mod to give that as the fake claim in a scarlet set up.

As for whether to lynch WF, I think town has succeeded in engendering at best apathy and at worst spite in him and hes unlikely to want to help us atp, so yeah

More apathy than spite at this point. If I’m left alive, that view could change, though I suspect I’ll be on the chopping block next DP anyway, so I don’t see much point in it. Much as I’m loath to admit it, I think lynching me is a better move than either lynching blind or no lynching.

I am down to keep Whiteflame alive if we can stop talking about lynching him. I do believe he’s third party. But if it’s gonna be a repeated issue the whole game then he will have no incentive to side with us in a lylo situation if he thinks we will just back stab him first chance we don’t have a lynch target. So my vote is to keep him alive and never discuss lynching him again. If we can’t commit to that then we just need to nip it in the butt now, but we set a bad precedent for third parties being willing to work with the town in future games

He’s proven to be unreliable.

he literally did what Mikal bullied him into doing lol what you mean

he literally did what Mikal bullied him into doing lol what you mean

That doesn’t mean anything. If he wanted to help town, he would ask for claims, etc.. Not just blindly shoot. It’s cause he doesn’t give two shits about it. He’s at best a loose cannon, who we can never trust again. It’s either lynching him today or lynching him sometime later. He’s not staying alive till MYLO/LYLO