Suikoden Mafia DP2

I'm heading to sleep. Good night everyone

7. Thoth

Not dumb enough but the more he talks the more I start to reconsider

Bruh im dying XD

What's this?

Coward that would go for the obvious town players

Suck my dick

(Probably tho)

I'm stuck in a need more information/don't want scum to have more information rub. We don't want scum to know who the Great Generals are but we also (imo) need more info going forward. Open to suggestions.

On a phone using the swipe function and my hand was sticky because I just finished with porn hub so these mistakes happen

Sounds like you were having a stroke alright.

PSA wylted is a brony he was probs jerking it to ponies

It's time to play Red Dead until I pass out and then awaken with a groan to the cold cruel light of lucidity and the Sisyphean burden of responsibility and obligation that color the daylight world. How I treasure these brief playful distractions from my terrible adult knowledge of entropy death and the slow creep of decay.

PSA wylted is a brony he was probs jerking it to ponies

I wanted to reply with a picture of Sarah Lynn in a saddle on top of BoJack Horseman that I thought was in the show as a sarcastic way of saying that they were banging, but I couldn't find it, if it exists. I did, however, accidentally find BoJack Horseman porn. At least I used DuckDuckGo.

It's time to play Red Dead until I pass out and then awaken with a groan to the cold cruel light of lucidity and the Sisyphean burden of responsibility and obligation that color the daylight world. How I treasure these brief playful distractions from my terrible adult knowledge of entropy death and the slow creep of decay.

Hey, I can totally reply with a BoJack screencap to this, though.

This is the way.

For anyone seeking a quick catch-up for today's DP: Thoth discovered BoJack porn and wylted tried to sell me life-prolonging pony sperm he probably collected manually.

If racehorses could understand that winning races means they will spend the rest of their life lazing around and having sex, they would run even faster.

Before leaving y'all for the night, here are my reads from towniest to scummiest. Since I have not revealed my information from last night, I will try to avoid considering it here other than calling Mikal mechanically cleared, which may or may not change the list.

Mechanically Clear

Mikal: My behave-dar is pinging more strongly as town here today than yesterday, but that might be subconsciously influenced by the much more important factor that I received information in NP1 which clears Mikal beyond a reasonable doubt. There is a tiny chance that my information was tampered with, but Mikal is townlock to me unless and until we get overwhelming evidence otherwise.

Airmax: Mikal confirmed his claim as accurate to lore, and a flipped Cop justifies Miller. I doubt that Airmax could have come up with such an intricate and correct justification, no offense intended since I also know little about Suikoden lore, although Sanchez could be a mod-provided cover. I won't say that Airmax is absolutely townlocked, but he has no place on the block today, although a Tracker or Watcher might want to look at him.

Strong Town

Kohai: I strongly townread him on day 1, and I like his claim enough that I am townreading him more strongly now than on day 1. I don't quite consider him townlock, though. I'm curious what prompted Mikal to tell Kohai (post #155) not to say more about his role, but I trust Mikal's judgment there, and I actually have a tinfoil of what it could be, which, on the off chance that it's right, makes me 2000% agree with Mikal. Of what that tinfoil is, I shall not speak nor give direction. I could be wrong, but Kohai's behavior feels great to me.

Lean Town

Wylted: I'm not sold on your role claim, but it seems reasonable enough, as does your claimed intention of holding Shining over a barrel. I do think that, unless you had reason to believe a Tracker or Watcher was on to you (see posts #88 and #116), it would be bizarre to claim that you visited the NK if you knew that the "vanish" was Janitor, which it presumably was. What pushes you from neutral-ish to lean town is your unprompted claim, just because I think most if not all players here would strongly discourage if they were your scummate, cf. post #61. That's not proof, but it's mild heuristic evidence. Pie does have a point that a killing role seems odd with a verified dayvig, but I'd rather give you a pass for now.

Lunatic: Lunatic has been somewhat active, providing good analysis without so much as a hint as a claim. I'm feeling that Lunatic is a town power role hiding in the margins, but he could be scum hoping that his seemingly insightful analysis will keep pressure off of him. In post #159, Mikal implied, if I understand correctly, that he thinks you are Barbarossa. If true, you are town-locked, and I don't want anyone to chime in on this, but I would assume that Barbarossa is unrecruitable, which gives you town insurance.

Wryly: She has been meaningfully contributing to discussions without providing any information about her character or role. I'm not saying that to pressure you or Lunatic into a claim, just that I can't townread you two as strongly as Mikal, Airmax, or Kohai while your roles are unknown quantities. I feel basically the same about Wryly as I do about Lunatic, minus his bonus for possibly being Barbarossa.

Neutral-ish

Whiteflame: I have no strong feelings one way or the other, thanks more to his past life than his current one. Ultracrepidarian gave me nothing to work off of, which would be a tiny scumread by itself if he hadn't subbed out. From what I've seen of whiteflame, I don't think I can read him behaviorally any better than I can call a coin in the air, if the coin were weighted so that it comes down as town more often than scum in accordance with there being more townies than scummies (that word feels dirty somehow).

Lean Scum

Vader: Just a gutread based on inactivity and weirdness. Actually, my gut tells me that Vader always gutreads as scum for the same reasons.

Strong Scum

Pie: As Lunatic noted (day 1, post #466), and I should note that Luna grouped me with Pie there, Pie has a pattern of chipping off the town bloc and throwing shade more aggressively than I think is needed, e.g., post #47 today. He also directly asked wylted for character and justification today (post #29 and again in #57), which felt to me like he wanted information as anti-claim fuel and thought he could hide his ulterior motive behind Mikal's inquisition of wylted. Correct me if I am forgetting that someone else beat him to it, but posting a claim tracker (post #205) strikes me as steering us towards revealing information. I think Pie is our most promising target today. That said, wylted suggested (post #172) that whoever is weak enough to be led by Vader is his partner, and I don't think you are the type to be led by anyone.

I want this to prompt discussion for everyone: If your top scumread(s) were scum, and if you knew that scum had exactly one night-kill, who do you think they would have killed last night and why?

exactly one night-kill meaning exactly one night-kill last night, not necessarily for the whole game

Pie: As Lunatic noted (day 1, post #466), and I should note that Luna grouped me with Pie there, Pie has a pattern of chipping off the town bloc

Already explained this.

and throwing shade more aggressively than I think is needed, e.g., post #47 today.

It was a pointed question. One that seemed like no one was considering

He also directly asked wylted for character and justification today (post #29 and again in #57), which felt to me like he wanted information as anti-claim fuel and thought he could hide his ulterior motive behind Mikal's inquisition of wylted.

No. He claimed to visit someone who likely was Janitored. He needed to full claim. Also, as others have pointed out, REF isn’t a fan of anti-claim. Also, you probably don’t know this, but Wylted is HORRIBLE at fake claiming, and has been caught multiple times by it.

Correct me if I am forgetting that someone else beat him to it, but posting a claim tracker (post #205) strikes me as steering us towards revealing information.

It just keeps us organized. And people were doing it yesterday if I remember correctly.

I think Pie is our most promising target today. That said, wylted suggested (post #172) that whoever is weak enough to be led by Vader is his partner, and I don't think you are the type to be led by anyone.

I was going to point this out. Aren’t you claiming to know that the NK was Shining. I would never in a million years kill Shining lol

Hi everyone. Work is gonna suck these next week but gonna try and post as much as I can. Right now I am a bit skeptical of Mikal but I still believe he’s behaviorally town

So it looks like Wylted did some poison thing on Shining but then ended up dying. I don’t think I’ve played with a position mechanic so interesting to see but it is a tough buy unless that poison mechanic is directly linked to them vanishing which is weird. Keeping my eye on Wylted cuz he’s a notorious bad fake claimed and this just feels off to me

Not loving Thoth

I mean that is pretty damning statement from Mikal that the character doesn’t heal so I think Wylted looks a bit guiltier. I know I stated earlier that Mikal being alive is weird but I really can’t see a way of him being town because he is giving way too much info to the town for them to go about and make reads. I think we need to look more into the characters to see if he’s telling the teuth

we also have to realize he’s an expert at this theme with no guarantees that mafia didn’t get a fake claim. He could easily be manipulating theme and such and pushing the wrong theme and we could fall for it unless someone has even more extensive knowledge. Overall i find it really weird he’s alive but i do think this falls way more under a bad Wylted claim than a Mikal big braining

I was skeptical of David going into this DP but he’s been softing his dad the entire time from the start so I feel like there’s no way he can take claim it unless he was set and stone going to claim it from the jump or it’s a fake claim is. I’m willing to buy it for now but I’m not sold

I am also looking at some players with some skepticism at the moment. Feel like WF is always going to be in my PoE but I think his logic is pretty good. I think we should go after some more quiet players that tend to be more vocal. I think Luna and Pie are good examples. Think Luna more. Scum would tend to be more reserved and quiet in this game and avoid going into battle with a theme wizard IMO and I think that’s what Luna is doing. A bit less active than I see and the comments are more focused on other areas.

I also strongly dislike the nature of how Thoth is playing. Oh I have info about the kill but I can’t reveal it cuz I will die is so weird to me because if you have any form of info that will help us catch scum than you should use it. It’s this back and forth with him and then him jumping around the point that I dislike as well

Have some morning meetings. Will be around near lunch time

Vote Count

Vader - 1/6 Wylted

Wylted - 1/6 Mikal

Why do we not want them to know who the great generals are

Which game did Wryly Hydra with you?

I forget. Was dart