K-Pop Demon Hunters Mafia - DP1

Mharman said this back in May, but he tends to be pretty consistent with his modding when it comes to numbers:

"the rule i operate with is that town should be able to survive as many mislynches as there are scum. Vaarka taught me that, so I refer to it as Vaarka's Golden Rule (he may have been taught by someone else, but idk who). I taught the concept to Whiteflame and Casey btw. 9players, 2 scum. 13 players, 3 scum. 17, 4. So 5,9,13,17,etc is a sequence in those numbers halfway between numbers in a sequence, I put 0.5 scum, a tp.

So since two mislynches equals a town loss, going by mharmans logic, I am guessing there could be one scum and one third party, since this game is an in between number of that sequence.

There is the off chance that mharman didn't stick to that logic, so take this with a grain of salt, but if mharman is consistent with this then there is probably just one scum (with a fake claim) and one third party (not sure if he would have given a third party a fake claim, and he didn't clarify in the OP). So characters claims may be useless here, or at best only might expose a third party.

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12728-gameshow-mafia-endgame?page=5&post_number=140

Here is the post I am referencing btw if anyone is interested in my logic.

Interesting logic, but in a game with this few players, it's reasonable to expect that normal principles have gone out the window. I did realize earlier that the game could potentially be over by the end of day 2 and was not thrilled by it, but Magic might have built in some other mechanic(s) that could keep the game going for longer despite having two scum. I also feel that having one scum rather defeats the purpose of Mafia being a game of an informed group versus an uninformed group, although that's not to say that Magic feels as strongly about it as I do.

Interesting logic, but in a game with this few players, it's reasonable to expect that normal principles have gone out the window. I did realize earlier that the game could potentially be over by the end of day 2 and was not thrilled by it, but Magic might have built in some other mechanic(s) that could keep the game going for longer despite having two scum. I also feel that having one scum rather defeats the purpose of Mafia being a game of an informed group versus an uninformed group, although that's not to say that Magic feels as strongly about it as I do.

Yeah and i am kind of wondering why he would tell people to put their discords on private if there was only one scum, but it could just be because he sent out pm's via discord and people could read into timing of night action submission, etc. Idk. Hard to say one way or the other, I can see there being two scum or one and a third party though.

This is speculation and I don't know Magic's approach to Mafia game construction well enough to gauge how likely it is, but it could be that he built this setup knowing that it could end on day 2 because he wanted to get the Mafia ball rolling again and move on to bigger games.

What the heck is your profile picture btw

With one scum and a third party, the third party could in some sense be an independent scum, depending on wincon.

What the heck is your profile picture btw

A cropped section of the cover of an edition of The Player of Games by Iain M Banks. I think it is supposed to represent one of the biotech pieces in Azad.

Checking on Goodreads, it's the 1999 or 2002 Orbit editions.

Yeah and i am kind of wondering why he would tell people to put their discords on private if there was only one scum

To make us think there are two scum?

With one scum and a third party, the third party could in some sense be an independent scum, depending on wincon.

True, hard to say I guess. Just something to think about, but shouldn't really impact how we play too much.

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Honestly would have preferred you kept that to yourself, but I think it's very likely you're town now. Very much doubt any of these three were left out of the characters in this game/given as a fake claim to scum.

So since two mislynches equals a town loss, going by mharmans logic, I am guessing there could be one scum and one third party, since this game is an in between number of that sequence.

There is the off chance that mharman didn't stick to that logic, so take this with a grain of salt, but if mharman is consistent with this then there is probably just one scum (with a fake claim) and one third party (not sure if he would have given a third party a fake claim, and he didn't clarify in the OP). So characters claims may be useless here, or at best only might expose a third party.

That tracks with what he's previously discussed with me. A 7 player setup is bound to be somewhat swingy regardless, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that there are two scum, but I'm leaning towards the one scum, one TP setup as well.

Yeah and i am kind of wondering why he would tell people to put their discords on private if there was only one scum, but it could just be because he sent out pm's via discord and people could read into timing of night action submission, etc. Idk. Hard to say one way or the other, I can see there being two scum or one and a third party though.

Even if there is just one scum, they're likely interacting with Mharman through Discord regardless, but I think the point of this is just to prevent people from using the timing of Discord sign-ons as a basis for sussing anyone. Whether there's a valid basis for thinking that would lead to a scum lynch is besides the point.

I mixed it up with 'Demon Slayer' lol. I'm completely lost on theme.

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I mixed it up with 'Demon Slayer' lol. I'm completely lost on theme.

Lol, got it. Figured you might be a Warcraft fan, but I've made the same mistake before.

Even if there is just one scum, they're likely interacting with Mharman through Discord regardless, but I think the point of this is just to prevent people from using the timing of Discord sign-ons as a basis for sussing anyone. Whether there's a valid basis for thinking that would lead to a scum lynch is besides the point.

Thats a fair assessment.

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I've been thinking about how to progress this game. In terms of softclaims, demon/non-demon has a very obvious outlier in Rumi (she's half-demon) and I doubt anyone would claim to be a full demon anyway. We could do male/female, which is what I'm most tempted to do given that I think everyone falls into distinct camps on that one and it wouldn't winnow the field down too much while soft-locking people into certain sets of character claims. I'll volunteer to go first if we agree to this, since I'm suggesting it as an idea (though Thoth has already locked himself into female at this point).

I’d rather not do that as it blatantly gives away my role

Giving your character’s gender gives away your role? I find that pretty surprising. There are multiple male and female characters.

I'll at least say I'm a male but will never say what my character's name is as it is a blatant giveaway

Wasn’t suggesting you should give a name. That’s more than enough.

Since we now have two, I’m good just going in on this. I’m female.

1. Lunatic -
2. Whiteflame - Female
3. Vader -
4. Kohai - Male
5. Pie -
6. Thoth - Female
7. RexFavilla -

That's fair. At least we can get something started

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Another possibility is that there are two blind scum (see how they run!), meaning that they cannot communicate and possibly do not know who each other are, or scum A knows scum B but not vice versa.

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I currently townread Kohai and whiteflame and am a bit sus on Luna.

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