Barry Mafia - DP3

DP3 is on!

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Maybe there's a small chance I'm wrong. Any results to share, I have none.

I am no-ho hank, I'm the one time neighborizer. I chose Wryly, partly because I thought she TMId DP1 and might be scum and that she would find the chat unnerving and slip, but gradually came to see her as town over the course of DP1. Unfortunately, she never gave me her results for NP1, aside from saying that she visited me. I have no idea who she visited NP2.

Essentially locks Cerulean by the way

Its essentially a POE of Rex, Pie, Thoth

I’m also gonna claim right away. I am Cristobal Sifuentes and I am the vanilla. I slowly fade from relevance from the plot before dying at the end after being captured and going through brainwashing and was betrayed by Hank after being saved

And that is... exactly what I was afraid of. Right.

Pie hardclaim, then we go from there, I suppose.

What's your role justification, Rex?

That his bonds with others are important, especially the dude he's railing (hi Supa) and the main character. There's also a pun about backdoor communications.

Hmm.

Rex’s claim make sense from my characters perspective and what not. I do like his claim. I guess the action is a bit convenient but we will see. Feels like he was trying to scum hunt. But he also betrayed someone by getting info so this could be a scum role.

I am no-ho hank, I'm the one time neighborizer. I chose Wryly, partly because I thought she TMId DP1 and might be scum and that she would find the chat unnerving and slip, but gradually came to see her as town over the course of DP1. Unfortunately, she never gave me her results for NP1, aside from saying that she visited me. I have no idea who she visited NP2.

So your role is confirmable but your affiliation isn’t

Essentially locks Cerulean by the way

There’s an outside shot there is no Gravedigger and it all comes back to if scum asked about it. If they have like an 1x Ninja, it makes sense, especially considering Wryly was a 1x/1x. But the odds are lower that he’s scum with Wryly’s flip

Its essentially a POE of Rex, Pie, Thoth

And that is... exactly what I was afraid of. Right.

Pie hardclaim, then we go from there, I suppose.

I am Monroe Fuches and the Hider. It’s a semi protective role, which is why I was hesitant to believe Shining. I waived both nights to ensure that town gets the maximum amount of lynches possible.

I’m also gonna claim right away. I am Cristobal Sifuentes and I am the vanilla. I slowly fade from relevance from the plot before dying at the end after being captured and going through brainwashing and was betrayed by Hank after being saved

So you’re the only claimed Vanilla. I frankly don’t buy it at all

I don’t think the Neighborizer has to be town. I know WF subscribes to the same ideology as me and Luna that confirmable roles aren’t necessarily town roles.

Vanilla is also clearly an outlier when everyone else has a role.

My theory assuming that Ceru is town (which is likely now with Wryly’s flip) is that scum knew there would be a Town Watcher/Tracker. And the people more likely to believe Ceru were more likely to be that role. Which is why Luna was the NK and REF chose to chat with Wryly. They were the only two if I recall that were hesitant on lynching Ceru that day.

Of course this assumes a Gravedigger exists in the first place, which is why I hate being in this position in the first place, but no one ever listens to me

Pie coming out with his night action claims only once he knew the Watcher/Tracker is dead is hella suss. The fact that he didn't outright counterclaim Earth is also suspect - doing so would set up a 1v1 in town's mind - if he thought Earth were scum he would have no problem with that, and it's not like his role has some crazy negative or positive utility where it would be a big problem to divulge - he can just choose not to use it, which is what he claims to have done already. If he is scum and ceru is town he knows that ceru isn't lying about his role and so would know since DP1 that there was a watcher/tracker. The only reason to play that card close to his chest would be to avoid having to claim his night actions while said watcher/tracker could contradict him. And to avoid setting up that 1v1, which he would see as a big risk if he knew that earth was a town power role and a disastrous mislynch for town.

Pie coming out with his night action claims only once he knew the Watcher/Tracker is dead is hella suss.

There was nothing to report. I waived both nights cause I am conservative. And you claim that Wryly visited you. That’s not a given either. And why would ever in a million years reveal that I am a Hider

The fact that he didn't outright counterclaim Earth is also suspect - doing so would set up a 1v1 in town's mind - if he thought Earth were scum he would have no problem with that, and it's not like his role has some crazy negative or positive utility where it would be a big problem to divulge - he can just choose not to use it, which is what he claims to have done already.

Because it’s not a counterclaim? A hider is a semi protective. I can only protect myself at the expense of there being 2 NKs. And I did push Shining…because it is a semi protective. I’m never going to out my role unless there’s sufficient votes to lynch me. You and I both know that. This is just disingenuous. I could’ve hid behind people who I thought were scum, but like I said. I’m a conservative player.

If he is scum and ceru is town he knows that ceru isn't lying about his role and so would know since DP1 that there was a watcher/tracker.

The same applies to you.

The only reason to play that card close to his chest would be to avoid having to claim his night actions while said watcher/tracker could contradict him. And to avoid setting up that 1v1, which he would see as a big risk if he knew that earth was a town power role and a disastrous mislynch for town.

Or here’s an idea. Keep my role and character hidden so scum like you don’t know what it is and take advantage of it. For example, what if your side has a redirector. You could redirect me to a townie and take 2 kills and essentially win the game.

If I said that I visited Supa or Ceru in previous nights, you would have the exact same criticism because you’re trying to find a way to implicate me that just doesn’t exist.

Actually, just looked at Microbiology Mafia and there was a lone Vanilla. So if WF used a similar design it makes sense for Supa to actually be a Vanilla here vs a full role madness game. But that means Thoth/Ceru has scum in it. Could be REF/Thoth

A Strengthener makes sense with a Town JK and even more sense with a Scum RB/Redirector/Bus Driver etc. It’s honestly a question of is there a grave digger in the game

More inactivity, sad

Helloooooooo

Hider is just such a weak claim at this point in time consider NOW we know that a Watcher was in the game. Cerulean claimed the Gravedigger right away.

Strengthener with a town JK is feasible, maybe Thoth plays on the claim by claiming his actual mafia role at that point, but it makes a lot of sense.

I feel like Rex's flip does make sense, considering my affiliation and such. It is hard to see. I just find it hard to buy Pie's claim considering his lazy last-second lynch on Kohai

Also just saying, I know this is like the second Whiteflame game ever so this sample size is so small, but he had literally a game where he had only 1 vanilla in a 9 person setup as well in this

Or here’s an idea. Keep my role and character hidden so scum like you don’t know what it is and take advantage of it. For example, what if your side has a redirector. You could redirect me to a townie and take 2 kills and essentially win the game.

Ummm, except you didn't use it? Why on earth would you be worried about a redirector targeting you for a role which you claim to never have used?

In fact, that would be good for town as it would cause scum to waste the role on you as long as you didn't use it, allowing investigative and protective roles to go off without being manipulated (well, if you hadn't lynched/nked them all)

Hider is just such a weak claim at this point in time consider NOW we know that a Watcher was in the game. Cerulean claimed the Gravedigger right away.

How is it a “weak” claim. Ceru could’ve just as easily asked about Gravedigger and when there was non, SOP claimed it. I’ve been wanting to do it for eons, cause everyone magically believes these SOP roles are town.

Strengthener with a town JK is feasible, maybe Thoth plays on the claim by claiming his actual mafia role at that point, but it makes a lot of sense. 

Why would there be a scum Strengthener? That makes no sense.

I feel like Rex's flip does make sense, considering my affiliation and such. It is hard to see. I just find it hard to buy Pie's claim considering his lazy last-second lynch on Kohai

”Last-second lazy lynch.”

You’ve got to be kidding right. You were the one that started the wagon.

In DP1 I did not start the lynch and wasn't even on it.

I started the wagon in DP2 and was the charge of it, you hopped on quite literally at the last second despite pushing Ceru hard. Now IMO he's town lock (almost)

VTL Pie

Come on now, is anyone really buying this?

Ummm, except you didn't use it? Why on earth would you be worried about a redirector targeting you for a role which you claim to never have used?

Thats hindsight bias. In the moment I was thinking about whether I should use it or not to prevent a possible NK on me. High risk, high reward. Cause believe it or not, I had been the only person active at that point. So I was worried about that, which is why I waived. Again. Conservative.