HCBM Mafia DP2

Right, what's your read on Magoroth's claim

I buy it

I legit forgot you weren't dead lmao

He's... he's always mislynched DP1

*wheezing*

Still, weigh in plz

Gonna game and wait for whiteflame's reads. Happy with the activity this DP btw.

Forgot, posting one Wylted quote every day phase in memory of the twat who used to be active.

Wylted: Hi, I'm wylted's Tulpa. Is it violating any rules for me to create my own account. Technically we are different people despite the fact that we share the same body. [My name is Victoria] and he is my host. I was created by wylted yesterday because he wanted to go no fap but also doesn't always have a sex partner around, so he created me to hvae sex with when he seemed to be striking out with people who don't share him as a host. Anyway if no mod responds to this I will be assuming it is okay fpr me to have my own account.

bsh1: No.

Wylted: Pretty bigoted of you against Tulpas --Wylted

Vader: bsh1 exposed for religious discrimination?

Wylted: It is discrimination, but I expect nothing less of illogical mortals. --Victoria

Discipulus_Didicit: What the hell is a Tul- *Google search complete* Oh. I guess... that's... a thing that... exists... I really want off this planet now.

Wylted: Compared to my planet (plane of existence), this one is great. --Victoria

thett3: could I borrow Victoria for the night?

Wylted: Since I am the host, I would prefer not to have her do anything sexual with you. Technically it would not be gay, but it may leave a bad taste in my mouth. Literally. --Wylted

This is why I hate having aphantasia

I joined a tulpa chat when I was, uh, maybe seventeen? That was before I realized I had aphantasia, in the sense that I did not yet realize that other people did not have aphantasia. Right after I joined, someone posted a message in [brackets] to show it was their tulpa talking, and I asked if that meant it was their tulpa talking. They told me I was the first noob to figure that out.

Lol, no thanks. Nobody can even explain why I have to be scum. Just because my claim is unlikely or I’m insisting that my results may not even be reliable?

Why would I even say this shit as scum?

Why would I claim an investigative role, when I wasn’t even in danger of being lynched when I made my claim, there’s a dead Tracker, and potential for other investigatives?

Why would I shade my own results? What do I have to gain from doing so?

I don’t understand what PoE Wryly gets if I’m lynched. What PoE?

[Kohai, Magic, Whiteflame] is a shitty PoE, it doesn’t even contain both scum and if I’m lynched, it’s MyLo tomorrow, which renders my information useless.

It is already borderline useless unless we lynch the scum in [Kohai, Magic, Whiteflame].

By the way, if I understand the latest communication with the host correctly, he is telling me my results cannot be manipulated by Miller/Godfather (and Millers would’ve claimed already).

So there 100% is exactly one, and only one, scum in [Kohai, Magic, Whiteflame].

The corollary to that is there’s also exactly one in scum in [Thoth, Wryly, Shining].

Happy New Year everyone!

Just doing a brief catch up. I see Magoroth claimed sensor. (More about this role here https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Sensor).

If magoroth is telling thet ruth then I Think the team could easily be whiteflame / wryly or whiteflame / shining. Regardless whiteflame is one of my top SRs right now.

I have zero scumread on Wryly

I had a change of heart after mulling over what Mag1cman said about how unexplained reads could devolve the game into "orange sus". (Orange is totally sus.) It's because whiteflame formatted his claim in two paragraphs, like this:

[words] [colon]

I am [claim]

It stuck out to me when he did this in Alien because it seemed like that formatting, leading into a new paragraph, was like he was trying to... I dunno how to put it. Distance himself from the claim? Like he was saying it in two parts to see if we would buy the lie?

I know that sounds ridiculous, but, looking over his past games, he does format his claim like that more often when he is scum.

Alright, here are my reads so far:

Kohai - The Hated claim last DP already had him leaning town, and nothing this DP has meaningfully shifted that needle. He's spent a good deal of this DP giving people towncred, even going so far as to dismiss Mag1c as an option early on due to Pie being NK'd, not behavior I'd expect to see if he's trying to keep his options open or hone in on someone to sus as scum. Maybe he's willing to do that as scum and maybe he's just trying to give his partner cover, but if it's the latter he's handing them out more broadly than I'd expect. Didn't like the VTL on me following Thoth's VTL, but it ended in his next post just to keep me from L-1.

Shining - More difficult to read Shining. VTL'd with Thoth and backtracked only after a while of Thoth refusing to explain himself, then turned on Thoth using Mag1c's reasoning and believed that I could be Thoth's partner. It's just weird series. Other than that, he's been pretty confounded by Magoroth and townreads both Kohai and Mag1c, which tracks with his read change on Thoth at least. Null is probably more accurate, but it's hard not to take his weird reads on me as something more, so slight scum.

Wryly - I always seem to jive with Wryly's logic and, honestly, I fear the day she's scum (and doesn't say taboo words). Pointing out the inconsistencies in Thoth claiming a behavioral tell on me while also claiming to know my likely partner. All her interactions with Magoroth on his role come off as genuine poking and prodding over how it works and how he's interpreting the mod's responses. Like to see more thoughts on more players this DP, but I'd put her in slight town.

Magoroth - It's mainly tough to read him because I only know that he has significant experience with Mafia, but not any idea of what he's prone to doing with it as scum. So what I'm trying to do is figure out if he has a plan with all this and where it would be headed. I could see him pulling out a Sensor to give a result like this - as he put it, that means there's one scum member in each group of three (those on the lynch and those off the lynch last DP), which makes POE rather difficult given that we're one mislynch away from MYLO. Wouldn't be the first time someone pulled a tactic like that (thinking Luna a few games back with a ballsy Dreamer claim). That being said, aside from the tactic being useful to scum and it being a risky claim he might take, I can't really see him doing any of this. Questioning the reliability of his result and actually made me townread him a bit, just a weird tactic if you're trying to use your results to engineer a mislynch. I get the behavioral cues that set Mag1c off, but they're harder to lock down alignment with. Can't say I'm in either camp with him as of yet. Null.

Thoth - Ever since the start of this DP, I've been trying to get a bead on what Thoth has been up to with this death tunnel and I still can't understand it. I don't know what Thoth plans to do with this information if all he's going to do is state that I write in a specific way and that it's more common in my scum play. It's exceptionally weird because he posts that he has a feeling about this, spends 7 minutes apparently perusing the archive for evidence, comes back proof positive, and has since just been repeating that there is something and not saying what it is. He even seems to have a good idea of who he thinks my partner is from the same information, and then got weirdly defensive the moment Mag1c put a vote on him, saying that lynching him was a bad idea. It's just weird how much he's banking on information that he's not giving us, which seems like an easy way to get attention on him if he's scum, but also pretty anti-town. Spent a lot of the early DP townreading this, but it's slipped to a slight scumread as the DP's gone on.

Mag1cman - Lot of little things have me pushing Mag1c into slight town. His initial post this DP was pushing back on logic Kohai was using to townread him, keeps focusing on Magoroth as his major concern behaviorally despite a lot of uncertainty from the rest of us on him, the pushback on Thoth felt like genuine frustration and has continued to feel the same, and the Miller confusion in particular are just not things I would expect from him as scum. They're minor behavioral tells, but they keep stacking up. Slight town.

Not sure who I'm sussing more atm between Shining and Thoth, don't really think they're a scum team, though. I'm flagging fast (up late due to New Years Eve and my wife was up even later with nerve pain, so I was too), but I'm going to work out plausible scum pairs when I can look back over things tomorrow.

I had a change of heart after mulling over what Mag1cman said about how unexplained reads could devolve the game into "orange sus". (Orange is totally sus.) It's because whiteflame formatted his claim in two paragraphs, like this:

[words] [colon]

I am [claim]

It stuck out to me when he did this in Alien because it seemed like that formatting, leading into a new paragraph, was like he was trying to... I dunno how to put it. Distance himself from the claim? Like he was saying it in two parts to see if we would buy the lie?

Hey, that's... something. Never been sussed for the formatting of character claim as scum. I think I just straight up claimed my character in the Alien game too, so I'm not sure why I'd even want to put distance between myself and my character in that game. I appreciate that you're being clear about where you're coming from now, but I can't say I understand the basis.

I am seriously calling it a night here, though. Pick this up when I've gotten at least 6 hours.

Lol, no thanks. Nobody can even explain why I have to be scum. Just because my claim is unlikely or I’m insisting that my results may not even be reliable?

I don’t understand what PoE Wryly gets if I’m lynched. What PoE?

[Kohai, Magic, Whiteflame] is a shitty PoE, it doesn’t even contain both scum and if I’m lynched, it’s MyLo tomorrow, which renders my information useless.

One, a POE that contains one scum is plenty useful.

Two, if you're lynched and you flip innocent, I know you were telling the truth and there's one scum in those three. If you're lynched and you're guilty I've eliminated one scum. The only downside is that with your mislynch and a successful nightkill, it puts us at five players tomorrow, which is MYLO, but I'm okay with that.

Three, you've seemed scummy to me because your susses have been all over the place, you went so far as to assert scum were immune to Tracker in order to defend your claim, and you assured us your role was 100% accurate and then walked it back that it was not 100% accurate.

Four, I'm actually leaning town on you. You've just been too hapless to be scum imo, and you've effectively set yourself at odds with everyone by claiming two POE's that encompass us all.

You weren't lying in Alien, true, but you were still claiming a scum character, and I can see how this could be a subconscious behavioral tell.

weren't lying about your character*

Will be posting my reads soon

And fml I don't think I'll ever live down the taboo words self-immolation

Nerve pain is absolutely brutal, hope your wife feels better. And has a good prescription of Pregabalin or something.

I really feel that this day phase, and probably the rest of the game, boils down to whether or not we trust Magoroth. I do, for now.

Unvote

VTL Mag1cman

Honestly getting worse vibes there

whiteflame - Town read. If he's scum, who is his scummate? Can't be Thoth, Thoth tried to tunnel. Can't be Shining, he quickly VTL'd him. Can't be Magoroth, Magoroth POE'd him. Can't be Mag1c because Magoroth's POE was [Mag1c, Whiteflame, Kohai], and there can't be two scum among those three if Magoroth is telling the truth. For the same reason, it can't be Kohai -- not to mention Kohai just FOS'd him in #191 and VTL'd him in #51. If whiteflame is scum, then idk, maybe Shining was just saber rattling to put distance between the two of them. I doubt it though.

Kohai - I've been leaning town on Kohai so far for that SOP. His role sticks out to me as the only one claimed so far with a solid justification; the others are just kind of willy-nilly. The only other game I remember where there was a Hated character, there was also a Loved/Popular, and none has surfaced yet. Both these points could be nothing. I'm mostly just wary of the day he's finally scum because I won't see it coming.

Thoth - I'm leaning town on Thoth. He's come out with some weird lines of theory that I just don't see him doing as scum. Especially with that potentially disastrous soft method he suggested -- just don't see him doing that as mafia. This is WIFOM ofc, and he could just be YOLOing a reckless scum gambit, but I'll drive myself crazy thinking of shit like that.

Mag1cman - I'm sussing Mag1c. Don't like that he tried to flush a Cop out of hiding, not that we seem to have one. Saying there's no way three investigatives could be in one game reminded me of when he tried to gin up suspicion on Mikal in Ranger mafia by saying there was no way a Hider could be in a 9 player game (spoiler: there was).

Shining - I liked his behavior last DP but this game he abruptly VTL'd whiteflame based on pretty much nothing and otherwise hasn't posted much. Need more data from him.

Magoroth - Leaning town for reasons already stated.

I'm not going to bother with reads on everyone because I think, again, this all boils down to whether we trust Magoroth or not. I want to see everyone's reads on him specifically. Do you trust him or not? Why?

Also, I have a big stick I can use to force claims out of people if we want them.

On second thought, my information is more useful than I thought. It confirms that there is 100% distancing, theatre or teaming between someone in [Kohai, Mag1cman, Whiteflame] and [Thoth, Shining, Wryly].

Vote Count

Thoth (2/4) - Magicman, Shining

Mag1cman (1/4) - Thoth

Full claim please

why does it boil down to whether or not you trust me?

my PoEs are useful but they aren’t like, game-winning or something. it’s just useful information and obviously scum hunting is still necessary, I don’t have a hard red check