Mikal faked a lot of anger in game shows mafia

i ain’t buying it

and scum anger is not unheard of

Mag1cman if you’re Town you should step away and focus on someone else or at least CONSIDER the possibility that I am Town, - no, fuck that, you don’t consider it, you just always end up in the same spot “Magoroth is scum” EXCEPT YOU GIVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REASONS EVERY SINGLE TIME!

@Wryly why do you keep screaming about me doubting my results when your results are useless?

It's one thing to have inconclusive results; it's another to doubt whether what the moderator tells you is true.

If whiteflame is scum, town were given pretty much nothing in the way of protective roles. I find that hard to believe.

Well, the way he’s going about it is flail-y.

But there’s a point to his pivot attempts on Whiteflame

yes I’m the easier lynch. But my innocent flip gives my read on him more credibility. So it’s better for him to save me for last and go for Whiteflame

VTL Mag1cman

Ok then. Your answer is literally “you must be faking”. if everything I do is scummy, then you’re just scum and you want to mislynch me. That or you should learn better for next time.

you do realise, I actually was RIGHT to doubt my results? I don’t know what the setup is but he literally said “results you get 100% accurate” EXCEPT it’s not fucking true! he later confirmed Godfather and Miller would mess with my results!

to be honest the scummiest thing about Whiteflame is that he’s calling me town but still saying he wants to lynch me, like he’s not doing anything

When did I say you were town? I said you had elements of your behavior that made you look townie to me. I made an extensive post already explaining why I think you're mechanically more likely to be scum than Mag1c, and POE alone already has it down to you two and me. Giving you credit for townie behavior does not mean I've marked you as town.

that’s the thing, with a claimed Governor he would probably feel some what comfortable voting his own partner.

so a scum WOULD vote their own partner if there’s a Dayvig/Governor, kinda like Whiteflame did

I don't get this logic at all. Why would the Governor claim affect my vote when I had no idea if or how it would be used?

he also asked me “why are you unvoting Shining” at the end of the day yesterday

You took your vote off of him right near the end of the DP. It wasn't clear why you did it, and we were nearing the point where it would just default to a NL. What's odd about that? I haven't even called you out on that this DP, yet you say I wanted to shade you for it? Make that make sense.

white flame is trying to act like the nice Town leader going “we got this boys” and organising shit

one of my old time friends, very, very good Mafia player did this when he was scum, it makes town feel comfortable and makes him into town leader

white flame is obviously not town leader but he’s definitely manipulating people

So I'm trying to act like the "nice town leader" but I'm also not the town leader?

I'm glad you're engaging dude, but this analysis is all over the place.

Because there’s an ocean of ways you can be scum.

all are reasonable, because at the end of the day, your character claim dos not align with the incentive of a townie who seemed very unsure about risks/usefulness of claiming, and it does not align with the incentive of an investigative.

I will continue to hammer this point until you defeat it.

How exactly am I supposed to prove you wrong, man? The only weapon I have is to tell the truth, and the truth is, I just fucking felt like claiming my character because I saw everyone else doing it. Is it the best play as Town? Idk maybe it isn’t but I felt like doing it so I did, it’s not even like my role is even related to my character in any way so I didn’t slip anything

“does not align with the incentive of an investigative"

you’re also making the mistake of ASSUMING people do ONLY mechanically correct things.

I don’t play this game to be a robot. I play this game to have fun. Sometimes I do dumb shit just for the sake of it, sue me.

actually I believe anyone who claims they only do mechanically correct things to be lying

So like, you play the game more emotionally than strategically?

there’s also the possibility of Wryly as scum, but I don’t want to believe that behaviourally. is Wryly known for deep wolfing?

It’s a mixture. I don’t just do mechanically correct things but I also don’t just fuck around, I obviously play the game with my wincon in mind. I just don’t necessarily just do the “optimal” play, I hate that shit because this game is more about reading people and figuring things out, at its heart.

Doing what you saw others doing, is exactly what scum does to blend in. Town has more critical thought.

You saw Kohai do an SOP claim, because he is hated. That doesn’t mean you claim character.

and you said in 37 of DP1 that you didn’t want claim right away. And in 26 you expressed some concern about scum figuring out your role by your character.

So you are clearly “thinking” about the risks of claiming, while you did it in 24. If town thinks it risky, they aren’t going to do it. Full stop. Again, extra true for investigatives.

there’s also the possibility of Wryly as scum, but I don’t want to believe that behaviourally. is Wryly known for deep wolfing?

I've only been scum once and I stepped on a land mine labeled "land mine."

No, Town does not have critical thought. Town can fuck around and do stuff, it’s way less stressful as Town (except when everyone scumreads you). Scum do troll but it’s usually fake trolling to “fit in”.

I can’t believe you’ve never seen anyone do dumb shit as Town, WE LITEARLLY have people who refused to claim on D1 and yet somehow you find thins unbelievable?

you are literally scum reading me for the same reasons as those two who died N1/D1, if I was in your shoes my confidence would be shaken, YOU DIDN’T EVEN VOTE Shining yesterday, where does this sudden confidence of yours that I am scum even come from?

I’ve seen people do dumb shit as town, it’s why I townread Thoth last DP before he was town confirmed.

mafia can do dumb shit if they don’t understand how others can see right through it as well

and trolling to blend in? You mean like a Ronnie O’Sullivan joke claim?

you’re defeating yourself here

I’m actually not scumreading you for the same reasons as Rex, Pie. They were uber secretive, which I misread.

You, on the other hand, seemed eager to give your character. Which is notable because it’s a given at this point that scum was given a fake character claim.

a townie who is wrong 3 times in a row would question things, you’re not questioning anything you’re just ABSOLUTELY convinced I am scum and you wish for me to answer why “an Investigative would claim”

except I didn’t even claim, I claimed my character,

1. so this kinda defeats your point

1. so this kinda defeats your point
2. you never explained why a Town HAS to follow your preconception of what a Town should do, that’s your opinion, you are saying a Town SHOULD do that, but you are not proving a Town HAS to do that. all you’re saying is Town SHOULD do certain things but that’s not the same as MUST
3. You have to PROVE I MUST do certain things or I am not Town, you haven’t proven that. All you’re saying is it’s “bad play” if I’m Town. okay, fair enough, let’s say that, it doesn’t mean anything, I fail to see how it’s “good play” to claim a role I didn’t even know existed as scum and thus wouldn’t even know how to work around it
4. You also say “it’s a good play for me to fake claim” but why would I fake claim as scum out of the blue, on a site where I don’t even know the meta or how power role heavy it is, or what kind of role distribution to expect? you and whiteflaem both claimed last, btw
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Sigh. It is hard for me to accept that Mag1c would lynch Kohai if he's scum, since that narrows the POE. I would think he would keep me alive to cop him innocent, lynch Thoth, and then he could argue scum is among him, Magoroth, whiteflame, or Kohai.

At the same time, I don't see Magoroth VTLing Shining last DP if he's scum. Easily avoidable scummate loss.

Please cover me out here before I go insane because Mag1cman literally just refuses to listen to me at all, he keeps saying he will but he keeps finding reasons why I am scum, he is either scum or he is really, really tunnelled

Not sure if I buy the tunnelling allegation because I’m apparently the only one who’s annoyed here, so I’m going to do this

VTL Mag1cman

if anyone hammers this, they will be lynched tomorrow.

THIS IS L-1 ON MAG1CMAN

Rex was being weird, and Pie decided to join him. I see where I went wrong with reads.

but the reason I was wrong on those reads, points to you being scum. So my scumread from DP1 stays.

*NK Thoth

No, you’re just saying OMG TOWN HAS BE SECRETIVE!

I give you props for changing your mind on that but going full-180 isn’t the answer to being wrong

if anyone hammers this, they will be lynched tomorrow.

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the only issue, again, I have with whiteflame being scum is, what the hell is this setup?

if it’s somehow Thoth, and he’s not actually governor, I will laugh.

I don’t want an early lynch. Scum could just use it to either Lynch the hammerer tomorrow, or hammer and say “guys I thought he was scum” or “guys I didn’t know he was at L-1

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my death actually breaks this game. because nobody will fucking know what to do with my flip. I flip Sensor. then what? I don’t think it’s Wryly behaviour wise...

oh by the way I am 100% sensor and I am not fake claiming, this is my actual role and I am actually the double doink. if you see a different flip it’s 100% tailored.