Ruyi Zhuan Mafia DP1

Indeed I have been widely described as shy, modest, chaste, demure, graceful, feminine, with dainty movements and tiny feet. My calligraphy flows like the wind bearing the lotus blossoms through the bamboo. The Emperor should well take note of this.

Given that Rex said the theme split is not simple, I'm curious why scum got two full-fake claims. That makes me think there's a reason why they would be reluctant to claim their characters.

Do any of you know this show well enough to catch even an obviously theme-splittable pair?

Getting two full fake-claims instead of three is heuristic evidence for two scum, in which case there's presumably at least one TP, but it doesn't rule out (8+1)v3.

I buy wylted's claim.

We can soft-claim whether our given name, not our harem name, starts with a letter from A-M or N-Z.

Or our harem name too. Doesn't matter.

Ymmv I guess. I was kinda psyched for this when he explained it to me, sounds fun.

Not to pass judgment on green eggs and ham before tasting them, but a lot of things sound more fun than they are. As Arthur Schopenhauer keenly observed: we generally find pleasure to be not nearly so pleasant as we expected, and pain very much more painful.

I doubt Rex would force scum to “work their charms” on Vader so that he grants them night abilities. It’s likely that whatever night actions Vader can grant, scum have the ability to counter them (somehow).

I'm scumreading this. It seems to me like that the central element of a harem-themed game should be sweet-talking the Emperor. Scum probably do have at least some counters to town's abilities, but not incentivizing scum to charm Vader would be flavorless.

Much as the mechanic for the Wylted's miller claim seems odd given the structure of this game, I'm inclined to agree with Luna that he's likely town. Wylted has done weird gambits before, but this would be particularly off even for him.

As for the structure of the flavor mechanics this game, we'll have to see how they play out, but I'm intrigued. Main concern in games like this is balance, but that's an issue that comes up with some regularity.

Main concern in games like this is balance, but that's an issue that comes up with some regularity.

The flipside of experimental setups being unbalanced is that, when nobody has experience playing a similar setup, it's much more likely for them to screw up wildly, so the odds gravitate back to 50:50.

Are you scumreading me just for scumreading you? Lol

Like, take two eight-year-old "scholastic" chess players, give one of them an extra knight, and have them play a bunch of games against each other. Between two grandmasters, the player with the extra knight would win every time. Unless one of the kids is a child prodigy, they will both be blundering so hard that it will still be about an even match.

Are you scumreading me just for scumreading you? Lol

No, but I'm scumreading you for scumreading me for scumreading you.

I agree, but this whole game is odd. I can see Rex putting in negative utility that gets negativer with favor.

There could be built-in reasons not to give certain players favor or to only give them favor when doing so would get them to a certain status. It does give a more than valid reason for the SOP claim at least.

I do want a character and justification claim from Wylted because I can imagine this is something like, "the court gets more dangerous for you the more attention you attract".

I'm interested, but not enough to push him to claim, especially given how the role claim already looks pretty townie.

Given that Rex said the theme split is not simple, I'm curious why scum got two full-fake claims. That makes me think there's a reason why they would be reluctant to claim their characters.

It may still be a noticeable split, even if it isn't simple.

Do any of you know this show well enough to catch even an obviously theme-splittable pair?

I know absolutely nothing about this show, so I'll be doing some research as we go. That being said, I don't think REF would specifically say it's not a simple theme split if there was an obvious pair.

We can soft-claim whether our given name, not our harem name, starts with a letter from A-M or N-Z.

What's the point of this if scum have fake claims?

The flipside of experimental setups being unbalanced is that, when nobody has experience playing a similar setup, it's much more likely for them to screw up wildly, so the odds gravitate back to 50:50.

They tend to be pretty swingy for a number of reasons, lack of experience being one of them.

I don’t really want to soft-claim flavour just because it would feel like shit if I was Scum and got caught due to flavour. So I’d appreciate flavour not being a part of the discussion.

What's the point of this if scum have fake claims?

There really is none. Sorry if it was unclear, but I was implicitly responding to Wryly's question on page 1 about how we should soft. You are probably right that the answer is, "not at all".

It may still be a noticeable split, even if it isn't simple.

Yeah, but if we know the theme split is complex, it's plausible that scum could straight-claim a pair with a noticeable split and say, "I can find relationships between these two other characters too, so that's no reason to sus us."

On a different topic, I'm not much of a soap-opera type, but this show's premise does interest me.

I don’t really want to soft-claim flavour just because it would feel like shit if I was Scum and got caught due to flavour. So I’d appreciate flavour not being a part of the discussion.

We don't sympathize with the enemy here

I do wish that more game hosts would add elements that spark discussion on day 1 other than soft-claims and other kinds of flavor analysis.

There really is none. Sorry if it was unclear, but I was implicitly responding to Wryly's question on page 1 about how we should soft. You are probably right that the answer is, "not at all".

Ah, must've missed the context. Though I often suggest softing, I'm a believer that there has to be a point to it.

Yeah, but if we know the theme split is complex, it's plausible that scum could straight-claim a pair with a noticeable split and say, "I can find relationships between these two other characters too, so that's no reason to sus us."

Would not be a first for plausible theme splits to confound town.

On a different topic, I'm not much of a soap-opera type, but this show's premise does interest me.

I should check it out. I'm a fan of shows that explore the inner workings of the Chinese palace (The Apothecary Diaries being a personal favorite, and Ooku: The Inner Chambers being a great one for the Japanese equivalent), so it seems right up my alley.

Speaking of soft-claims needing to have a point to them, I'm not sure that knowing whether it's (8+1)v3 or (8+1)v2v1 or even (9+1)v2 is actionable information yet.

I'm not saying that I don't want to know what the numbers are. I'm just saying that I think people bring up questions like that because, in most games, there's almost nothing to do on day 1 other than Random Vote Start and unverifiable speculation about the setup.

Speaking of soft-claims needing to have a point to them, I'm not sure that knowing whether it's (8+1)v3 or (8+1)v2v1 or even (9+1)v2 is actionable information yet.

The distinction should matter at some point, but no, it's not actionable right now.

I'm not saying that I don't want to know what the numbers are. I'm just saying that I think people bring up questions like that because, in most games, there's almost nothing to do on day 1 other than Random Vote Start and unverifiable speculation about the setup.

That, and there's a lot of mechanical information to parse through and people are trying to hang onto elements they can parse easily.

Sounds complex af

To inject some behavioral analysis into our flavor analysis, I'm curious about wylted's history of fake-claiming. Does he tend to concoct weird claims, or would he probably just say I'm a Miller?

here we go again

reading page 2, i'm confused about the flavor myself

i too am trying to learn about it lol

i want to kill magoroth from what i've read so far

recent posts are atrocious

love you too

I feel the same way about Magoroth, so I'm townreading awesome. Then again, I believe awesome is an experienced player, so I suppose it could be a very aggressive bus.

Vote Count

Mikal 1/6 - Thoth

Thoth 1/6 - Magoroth