Ruyi Zhuan Mafia DP1

I assume Empress is Town precisely because it’s too OP if it’s scum.

And, when I typed that post I thought Empress had access to every single ability in the game (the first post says Imperial Noble Consort or whatever can use “all” abilities, and I thought that meant every ability in the game). So Empress revealing would tell us what night actions are possible.

If I have this right, we've got an Emperor (Vader) who will be handing out favor every NP. The favor determines your ranking, which can fall into one of five categories: Concubine, Consort, Noble Consort, Imperial Noble Consort and Empress.

Scum have been given two fake claims (I don't think we get a lot out of pushing for softclaims with those, nor do I think outing the Empress is a good idea with a complex theme split), which means it's likely there are two scum in this game, with maybe a TP in the mix.

Hopefully I've at least got the gist. I've read through the posts so far and I find it pretty confusing that a negative utility role like Miller would activate from having more favor.

I think you’re just forgetting the ranking piece.

I agree with the Miller being activated with more favor being odd. But on the flip side from a balance standpoint it makes more sense. My concern is that this was a fake claim and the back track was a consequence of fellow scum realizing the slip

I do want a character and justification claim from Wylted because I can imagine this is something like, "the court gets more dangerous for you the more attention you attract".

+1

First initial read is that Wryly seems kinda shy. It could be her personality, it could also be due to her alignment.

VTL Wryly

What do you find shy?

Wylted is probably town. Miller is a risky claim but the way he claimed it and his realization about the complex mechanization of his role makes it seem more legit to me. I think we can move past him.

If it were anyone but Wylted, I would’ve agreed with you, but the way he specified after that it was only when he got to Imperial is weird to me. I’m wondering if it was a fake claim to begin with.

Also heads up I am generally not a fan of games that have weird flavor mechanics, I signed up for this one as a return favor since rex signed up for mine, but I just wanna play normal mafia, so I am going to try to treat this like a normal mafia game as much as possible. I honestly don't understand why mods want to over complicate stuff like this all the time, it seems like it always frustrates the players and ultimately always favors mafia.

I'm scumreading this. It seems to me like that the central element of a harem-themed game should be sweet-talking the Emperor. Scum probably do have at least some counters to town's abilities, but not incentivizing scum to charm Vader would be flavorless.

My issue with this is that it’s redundant. Like ya scum have counters to town, no shit. It’s how I caught Earth the previous game. It’s talking to talk

I don’t really want to soft-claim flavour just because it would feel like shit if I was Scum and got caught due to flavour. So I’d appreciate flavour not being a part of the discussion.

But you’re fine with roles being revealed? That doesn’t make sense at all

To inject some behavioral analysis into our flavor analysis, I'm curious about wylted's history of fake-claiming. Does he tend to concoct weird claims, or would he probably just say I'm a Miller?

Wylted is horrible at fake claiming. If there is no Miller, he’s either town or this was a fake claim given by REF.

So, wait, what's the issue with Magoroth now? Awesome says his "posts are atrocious" and Wylted's just buying in because he trusts Awesome. I guess the pushback on softclaiming flavor is a little off because he's almost defensive of scum here (who have been given two fake claims anyway), but nothing has looked that bad.

Read my previous posts. I think I’m seeing exactly what Awesome sees

Hello. this game is kind of confusing to me but ill do my best

Any behavioral thoughts so far?

Any behavioral thoughts so far?

give me a lil bit to catch up and ill let u know

I still think we should mass claim what abilities we have access to. If scum tells the truth, and they don’t use their fake claim, they will be forced to use their abilities either in a pro-Town way, rendering them kinda useless to them, or take a risk and use their abilities anyway in spite of lying about it.

Absolutely not.

I will go first. One of my abilities is Watcher.

Congrats, if you’re telling the truth, you’ll probably be manipulated or outright killed

I notice Pie hasn't talked much. No matter. With the topic of Mago, I feel like he is REALLY pushing for mass claim and I'm not sure hes scummy for it. If I was his buddy, I would be telling him to chill. Still, we should mass claim no sooner than DP2, at least. DP1 is just madness.

The scummiest part was asking everyone to reveal how much favor people start with. Like that is so direct, and I can’t believe everyone missed that so far in what I’ve read

The scummiest part was asking everyone to reveal how much favor people start with. Like that is so direct, and I can’t believe everyone missed that so far in what I’ve read

I guess I missed that favor and ranks were hidden. Somehow I thought we were going to get a public leaderboard every day.

I think you’re just forgetting the ranking piece.

Yeah, I didn't get to those specifics.

I agree with the Miller being activated with more favor being odd. But on the flip side from a balance standpoint it makes more sense. My concern is that this was a fake claim and the back track was a consequence of fellow scum realizing the slip

Not where I'm leaning atm, but given the mechanics of this setup, it's possible.

Read my previous posts. I think I’m seeing exactly what Awesome sees

We've discussed it more since this post. I'm still going through Magoroth's posts, so I'll give my thoughts on him soon enough.

Well... I had a whole set of reads typed up and then the page reloaded...

So I'm keeping these shorter than my usual. I can dig into the details if asked, but it's late and I'm not re-typing these in full.

First off, just revisiting Pie, great to see all of his recent contributions and he has some points worth addressing, though I'm going to save that for tomorrow morning.

Wryly - Slight town. Her contributions to the DP read largely as someone who just feels out her element without softclaims on the board, which I get. She's not doing as much as she could to get at behavioral claims, but the solid pushback on Magoroth's ideas so far come off as slightly more likely from town, not trying to leave that door open at all.

Shining - Null. Contributions so far have been pretty minimal, largely small reads and thoughts about various strategies to advance the DP. Nothing all that strong.

Wylted - Slight town. This one's shifted more toward null in the posts since he claimed, mainly because he's made less sense since he started VTLing between Magoroth and Awesome and because he's calling for favor when he said he'd become a Miller with enough of it. The hedging on the SOP claim and even coming back later to say he may have been wise not to do so just don't seem like a strategy to me, so that's swaying me toward town.

Thoth - Spent most of this DP really digging into choices and perspectives taken so far, including giving out some pretty well-supported reads and allowing for back-and-forths to convince him. I want to townread that because it's some of the clearer perspective I've seen and he's helped inform some of mine as well, though there also seems to be a lot of uncertainty baked into this. I'd like to see a take-away set of reads and a choice for a VTL that isn't an RVS. Until then, null with a slight town bias.

Magoroth - I'm having the hardest time nailing Magoroth down. He takes the biggest swings to try and nail down information in this game, but the choices he's made (like mass fullclaiming and outing the Empress) come off as pretty anti-town. I've at least come to a point where I understand the latter, but the pushes for the former I still don't get fully. They're also hard to read as likely scum since I think if he was scum, he'd likely have dropped this argument far earlier. Maybe the goal was to get some idea of how each of us would respond and get some take-aways from that, but I can't say I've seen anything meaningful. He hasn't been super defensive, instead just being thorough in responding to accusations. He's probably the most variable null player for me, mainly because I just can't decide if the balance places him in scum or town.

Its highly likely there is 3 mafioso and maybe a TP.

what makes u think that

Just like a good and righteous Emperor, I will be taking bribes for favor. Venmo 100 dollars will get you unlimited favor from me. I just payed for a vacation so any donations welcome

On a serious note. This will be interesting

so can u explain what you are? like is your goal to help town or is it neutral? are u ambivolent

Anyway, that's enough for one night. We still have a handful of players who have been almost entirely inactive (Mikal, Luna and Banana, and to a lesser extent Awesome) that I'd really like to get reads from. As the one town-confirmed player, I'd like to hear from His Highness Vader as well. We should be getting at least some reads from everyone before we have to make a decision tomorrow. I will try to be on early enough to participate in further discussion tomorrow.

Well... here’s a thought. I assume Empress is Town. I also assume scum know which abilities are in the game, so it’s not like they would have to make up some night actions that aren’t possible, so there’s no value to the Empress hiding these night actions.

im not entirely sure the empress is town, from my video in my pm it seemed like the empress was kind of rude to my character who seems to be clearly good. thats why i was asking him about his win condition

so can u explain what you are? like is your goal to help town or is it neutral? are u ambivolent

From the OP:

In this game, the Emperor (Vader) is town-confirmed and aloof. He cannot die, and unless your role specifically mentions the Emperor as its target he cannot be targeted by it. He does not count as a player for the purpose of determining votes to lynch and does not have a vote himself. Each NP, he will distribute favor to the harem, the amount varying with the number of players still alive as follows:

12, 11, 10 – four favor 1,1,1,1 or 2,1,1

9, 8, 7 – three favor 1,1,1 or 2,1

6, 5, 4 – two favor 1,1

3 favor 1

He can give two favor to one target if he has three or more favor to distribute, if not he can only give each consort one favor.

So he's town, but he stands apart.

Now I'm really going to head off, let Banana get caught up on the posts.

Based on my role PM and the clips I've seen of this harem drama, it seems to me like these girls do not give the feel-good vibes I look for when fantasizing about being the protagonist of a harem anime.

O.o eww....

We're talking about it because the idea of the theme is that as you advance in favor, you gain advantages (as it is in any court). The idea that you advance in favor but gain a disadvantage is odd.

thats fitting for a miller actually, arent they supposed to be designed as anti town roles?

First initial read is that Wryly seems kinda shy. It could be her personality, it could also be due to her alignment.

VTL Wryly

since when is a personality trait aligmnt indicitve? also i dont think she is shy but thats my perception ig

Wylted is probably town. Miller is a risky claim but the way he claimed it and his realization about the complex mechanization of his role makes it seem more legit to me. I think we can move past him.

i lean town on him too but i wouldnt say he is confirmed or anything.

Indeed I have been widely described as shy, modest, chaste, demure, graceful, feminine, with dainty movements and tiny feet. My calligraphy flows like the wind bearing the lotus blossoms through the bamboo. The Emperor should well take note of this.

ur posts are fun lol

Given that Rex said the theme split is not simple, I'm curious why scum got two full-fake claims. That makes me think there's a reason why they would be reluctant to claim their characters.

i dont see why any1 would be reluctant to claim with so many fake claims provided