Ruyi Zhuan Mafia DP1

I don’t think I ever said that my role was especially powerful, just that it was almost useless at low favor. If I get more favor, it could be very powerful, but it’s also situational.

Fine. Watcher, Roleblocker are my odd/even night abilities. My final ability is Framer. Yes, I can frame people.

I haven’t yet looked at my flavour in any detail, would prefer not to claim this unless strictly necessary, but basically there’s a bunch of reasoning behind each action.

i should say i first become roleblocker, then watcher, then framer.

Btw it’s interesting a major reason you are scum reading me is for my read on mago, yet you also list him as a scum read. So in other words your theory is we are bussing lol?

No, my theory is that you hitched yourself to the Magoroth wagon because it looked like an easy mislynch, which fits with the rest of your PoE being the then-inactives.

I have like 2 favour and would appreciate being turned into the Empress so I can use my night abilities :)

My final ability is Framer

This is so Too Wolfy To Be A Wolf that it loops around to being just wolfy and then back to TWTBAW et cetera ad infinitum. The glass of WIFOM shattered and reincarnated as a Klein bottle.

I haven’t yet looked at my flavour in any detail

I swear that I am the only person who reads their role PM.

If you want me not to scumread you, come up with some stronger reasons to scumread me rather than “he doesn’t make sense!” Not making sense is 1) NAI and 2) I do believe I have made sense, so I could care less about the reasons why you scumread me (still annoyed by how many people are doing it though).

No, it’s not too wolfy to be a wolf, it is literally my final ability. Town Framer. Why do you think I brought up Mafia Doctor? Town Framer is almost as absurd, actually even more so because you never want to use Town framer, ever

So you are a compulsive Framer?

Nobody has even given a reason as to why mass claim is bad. It’s all just “but if scum learns our roles”

Yes, that’s the reason

On that note, please give me favour because you won’t regret it. Depose the false Empress, I am the rightful one!

No. I don’t have to use my night action.

I don’t like town Framer and Miller. One of Magoroth and wylted is probably lying.

disregarding that town framer is so outrageous anyway

Til then, the way I will treat him is "If it quacks, waddles, and swims like a duck, it's probably a duck:.

This is litrully what you said before mislynching Wryly over me in Ranger’s Apprentice lol

Also, this is not true, Whiteflame did not ego boost me, he disagrees with most of what I said; wylted said I act openly scummy so I must be Town.

And I gave reasons why Pie and Wryly are scum, don’t act like I made that up.

Pie is scum because he randomly brings up me claiming Watcher out of thr blue and says “oh shucks you’re gonna die” which is the exact thing I would say if I was Ninja. You can act like this is “unconvincing” but this is literally based off of personal experience of what I have done and other scum have done.

I admit I am biased, and it’s a little hard for me to be objective when I’m being pushed like this, mostly because, honestly I’m just fucking angey. You have people calling me RETARDED TOWN, or comparing me to khaosmagic or whoever the fuck that is, how am I NOT supposed to take this personally? I am literally being myself and I’m getting pushed for reasons I don’t understand, and on top of that my play is being called bad or dumb. If I was getting pushed for being some master manipulator or some garbage I would honestly mind it less. Instead I’m actually trying to play and I’m getting punished for it. How would you feel about it?

Anyway, that’s a rant. I can’t be fully objective when I’m being pushed.

Is it in your justification or your role mechanic. Don't want to push it too much but curious as to why

Don't really know how to answer that without giving away information, but yeah its the latter. I have a counter to poisoning at a certain rank.

The fact that you agree with my points about magoroth but scum read me for them I think is just paranoia. I can see what you and banana are saying that magoroth looks like an easy target, but lets face it, and feel free to prove me wrong, generally people as scum on this site are pretty blatant when they fuck up. I can point to several examples of this.

Selection bias. You can point to the blatant scumslips because those are the ones you noticed and remembered.

I've stopped myself from lynching scum many a time because of that same logic you are using "They are so bad they must be town" when its often just the case that they are... just scum.

Which is meaningless if you don’t factor in how many times they weren’t scum.

Thoth is also advocating the same thing because his role is just as powerful. What makes the posts so different in your opinion?

Can you clarify your question? You didn't quote me so I do not know what you are referencing.

I get your frustration, but being pushed is part of the game. I think the case against your idea is simple: a massclaim will help them play around town’s abilities, and there’s no guarantee that it will get us actionable information, especially since scum have fake-claims.

I get your frustration, but being pushed is part of the game. I think the case against your idea is simple: a massclaim will help them play around town’s abilities, and there’s no guarantee that it will get us actionable information, especially since scum have fake-claims.

If people are gonna say I scum slipped, they are full of shit. Watch for ehoever tries to defend this lynch tomorrow, or whoever tries to use it to push someone else. Anyone who claims I scum slipped is a liar because I cannot BY DEFINITIN scum slip.

also, I think it should be pretty fucken easy for people to find me here considering they have my scum game and I can share more if needed

Fine. Watcher, Roleblocker are my odd/even night abilities. My final ability is Framer. Yes, I can frame people.

I haven’t yet looked at my flavour in any detail, would prefer not to claim this unless strictly necessary, but basically there’s a bunch of reasoning behind each action.

i should say i first become roleblocker, then watcher, then framer.

What is your character?

There really isn't a reason I could ever see for town to have a framer. You could make a case for roleblocker, but framer?

I don’t think you need to make a case for Roleblocker. Town Roleblocker is a thing.

I’m not dropping the mass claim idea just so I don’t get scumread. I still do think it’s a good idea. Even if scum can claim whatever, presumably town will not lie and so at least 8/11 claims should be truthful or mostly truthful so we can still get an idea of what results to expect, and afterwards we can factor in additional scum roles which almost certainly exist, e.g. Tailor, Bus Driver, Framer

My character is called Bai Ruji and my rank is Concubine Mei (?), whatever that means. I killed the Empress’ son with plague and whatnot, don’t really have much else to say, that is what stood out to me from my flavour

I wrongly blamed some consort of something so I’m a Framer. Because I’m a spy I am a Watcher. Because of my needling of the other Consorts I’m Roleblocker.

No, my theory is that you hitched yourself to the Magoroth wagon because it looked like an easy mislynch, which fits with the rest of your PoE being the then-inactives.

Okay so if you think I am pushing a mislynch it makes no sense that we would both be in your scum reads. Only makes sense if you think I am bussing. For this read to make sense you are admitting to some level of manufactured reads, because if I was scum for this read mago should be a town read.

Selection bias. You can point to the blatant scumslips because those are the ones you noticed and remembered.

I am just saying, certain people tend to make mistakes as mafia pretty consistently. Am I not correct in this? If I am then what seperates magoroth from those people? I am genuinely asking because I haven't played with him.

For example: Wylted often makes ballsy claims as scum and takes huges risks. That's been pretty consistent of him. Greyparrot just yolo claims his real role as mafia and hopes for the best. Shining claims dumb shit like "Asthetic" when pressured despite being given vanilla as a fake claim hint. That2user becomes super inactive and the few posts she makes are general answers to peoples questions. Mikal likes to bus and gambit and make big plays. ETC ETC. People tend to have consistent scum tells. From what I've heard from other players mago has a tendency to play badly as scum. Having not played with him I only can go off of what I've heard.

Which is meaningless if you don’t factor in how many times they weren’t scum.

If you can't use past behaviors and tells from people to analyze their behavior, how in the hell can you possibly hold anyone accountable for their actions and behavior?! lol

I don’t think you need to make a case for Roleblocker. Town Roleblocker is a thing.

That's literally what I just said. Re-read what I said to him. Are you being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian?