Ruyi Zhuan Mafia DP1

Also, this is not true, Whiteflame did not ego boost me, he disagrees with most of what I said; wylted said I act openly scummy so I must be Town.

In your post, you basically based your entire read of whiteflame based on him validating you. Everyone of your reads is somehow linked to how they have read or interacted with you personally, rather than how they have played or analyzed the game.

And I gave reasons why Pie and Wryly are scum, don’t act like I made that up.

I didn't say you "made it up", I said the reasons were kind of bad. You OMGUS'ed pie, and you said wryly was "shy" as if being shy is a scum tell.

Pie is scum because he randomly brings up me claiming Watcher out of thr blue and says “oh shucks you’re gonna die” which is the exact thing I would say if I was Ninja. You can act like this is “unconvincing” but this is literally based off of personal experience of what I have done and other scum have done.

Feel free to link or reference said games, and I'd be happy to analyze the evidence, otherwise its just you saying this.

Okay some of the events of Mago's character are mentioned in my own role PM, or linked in a certain way. Based on what I am reading from his character I am getting strong vibes that he could be a poisoner.

She initially appeared naive, unaware, and reckless. Later, she proves to be very insane after killing another of the Empress Dowager's spies to whipping Ruyi for no reason just because she felt upset that she lost her son. She is used by Consort Jia to cause the first Empress's death.

She eventually became pregnant. Because of Empress Fuca's jealousy and Noble Consort Hui's hatred towards her, they used cinnabar to cause her child to be stillborn. They then framed Ruyi for this. To enact her own form of vengeance, she snuck into Yanxi Palace and attacked Ruyi. The Empress Dowager reprimanded her for this. Later in the story she is an instrument used by Consort Jia to cause the Empress's death and later caused Consort Qing's unborn child's death to the point that she cannot give birth again which she proudly admitted.

At the end of the story, Ruyi told her the truth and offered a death medicine by the Emperor so that way she can go with dignity. Her corpse was incinerated to prevent bad luck.

https://ruyis-royal-love-in-the-palace.fandom.com/wiki/Bai_Ruiji

All this plus I can't understand why the mod would put in a town framer lol.

I can be open minded here, but this honestly wouldn't be the worst dp1 lynch for the science. We aren't really losing town utility here. A roleblocker can be harmful to town as well, unless he somehow blocks the night kill. I just don't see how this role helps town, and there is strong reason to suggest mago is scum based on his role and behavior.

Anyways, still wanna hear from Awesome5000 so I am in no rush to lynch here.

I think you’re intentionally misrepresenting my points. How the hell did you get from what I said that “Wryly is shy”? Why the hell would you think I am literally using LITERAL shyness as a scum trait?

Obviously, being “shy” with scare quotes is scummy, being shy, as in literally shy is not.

Not sure if you just skimmed the thread in like 5 mins or you’re just scum. Kinda feels like this is NAI but still wanted to mention it because it stuck out at me.

Okay i am going to say. I don’t buy his roles as town. I’m not hard cc’ing but there is extreme overlap

I think you’re intentionally misrepresenting my points. How the hell did you get from what I said that “Wryly is shy”? Why the hell would you think I am literally using LITERAL shyness as a scum trait?

Obviously, being “shy” with scare quotes is scummy, being shy, as in literally shy is not.

Not sure if you just skimmed the thread in like 5 mins or you’re just scum. Kinda feels like this is NAI but still wanted to mention it because it stuck out at me.

I get your emotional, but post 53:

First initial read is that Wryly seems kinda shy. It could be her personality, it could also be due to her alignment.

VTL Wryly

There is nothing to mis-interpret here, this was literally your read.

Fine, I’m not Framer. I don’t want to reveal my actual “last” role because it’s a useful one and its usefulness drops to zero if it’s claimed.

Fine, I’m not Framer. I don’t want to reveal my actual “last” role because it’s a useful one and its usefulness drops to zero if it’s claimed.

Can you explain why you felt the need to lie about this?

Why would a scum act shy in a Mafia game? Because they have trouble acting in a natural way and are trying to avoid drawing attention to themselves.

I wasn’t even referring to framer. Just the other roles. I think my roles and some of yours don’t make sense. It would only make sense if you are scum.

not a direct cc but I’ll say 2 of my abilities contradict one of yours.

I can, but I won’t. My role is useful when it isn’t known what it is. It’s useless or almost useless when claimed.

okay? What are you claiming

Why would a scum act shy in a Mafia game? Because they have trouble acting in a natural way and are trying to avoid drawing attention to themselves.

That's the thing, she isn't acting any differently than I've seen her act in other games. She seems like she's being normal wryly. What specifically in her posts did you think was "Shy"?

I’m not claiming. I’m just saying I don’t buy one of you abilities town because i have two abilities that essentially do the same thing.

It seems to me she’s having trouble actually saying anything and when she does it’s stuff like that “Magoroth is erratic and scummy regardless of alignment”, which somehow manages to both 1) defend me and 2) say absolutely nothing, it’s just safe stuff that anyone who knows me can say

I can, but I won’t. My role is useful when it isn’t known what it is. It’s useless or almost useless when claimed.

I wasn't asking for your role yet, I am asking why you felt the need to lie and claim framer as opposed to not claiming at all? Lying as town in general tends to backfire a lot. It can be done in extreme scenarios imo, but should be used wisely. You didn't have a significant amount of pressure. You were the topic of discussion a bit, but you seemed to inflate your own pressure by over-reacting to it. You weren't at L-1 or even close to being lynched. I really don't see why you lied and claimed framer here.

VTL Mikal

you better claim. You just made me claim and now you’re CCing me without doing it.

It seems to me she’s having trouble actually saying anything and when she does it’s stuff like that “Magoroth is erratic and scummy regardless of alignment”, which somehow manages to both 1) defend me and 2) say absolutely nothing, it’s just safe stuff that anyone who knows me can say

This feeds my point about how every single one of your reads seem to be based on how people react to you, not how their behavior impacts other players and the game. That is a trait I would expect of scum who are going to be more paranoid about their decisions and how they are perceived, then a town player who is looking to hunt scum.

I figured Framer was just unbelievable enouhh of a claim that scum would not question it snd just assume I am telling the truth, plus they could send me favour which would end up helping me and harming them in the long run. Besides, no-claim draws attention, claiming Framer doesn’t (to scum).

VTL Mikal

you better claim. You just made me claim and now you’re CCing me without doing it.

No one made you claim bro. It might have been heading that way eventually, but you can't blame anyone else for your decisions here.

I’m not claiming.

I didn’t make you claim. I said I’d like you to claim because in my view Thoth or you were the best lynch given the time dilemma. I literally said I thought someone on your wagon was scum and wanted you to claim to get pressure off so we could move to Thoth bar a weird claim

you lied about a portion of your role

and one your abilities functions very similar to two of mine. So I don’t see the point of that existing as town. Again not a hard cc just a note

you were under no pressure and I said I’m fine with you claiming and you chose to do that with 1 vote

everything about that interaction is odd and your role just does not make sense with mine

I figured Framer was just unbelievable enouhh of a claim that scum would not question it snd just assume I am telling the truth, plus they could send me favour which would end up helping me and harming them in the long run. Besides, no-claim draws attention, claiming Framer doesn’t (to scum).

What makes you think scum have the ability to give favor? Also for how hyper worried you are about the pressure you have on you, it seems strange that you are pretending to be more concerned with what scum think of you, despite full blown claiming without significant pressure or anyone asking you to.

Well not your role. One your abilities. I just fail to see why essentially three things doing the same thing would exist as town.

That’s really a stretch. Since when is reacting to other players SCUMMY? I have to get reads one way or the other, if I do it based on people’s reactions to me it’s perfeftly valid because I can gauge people’s reactions (when I’m not getting grilled) to me more easily than to others, for like… a million reasons

That’s really a stretch. Since when is reacting to other players SCUMMY? I have to get reads one way or the other, if I do it based on people’s reactions to me it’s perfeftly valid because I can gauge people’s reactions (when I’m not getting grilled) to me more easily than to others, for like… a million reasons

Because the setup says other roles and not just the Emperor can grant favour, so I assume can steal favour or redirect it.

Agree with Luna on the scum giving favor thing. It’s assumes they can fuck with mechanics and possibly move favor around but not give favor.

Well, I can’t help that. These are literally my abilities and I can confirm that I am not lying about these two and will not change my claim and if I do, you can just lynch me.

That’s really a stretch. Since when is reacting to other players SCUMMY? I have to get reads one way or the other, if I do it based on people’s reactions to me it’s perfeftly valid because I can gauge people’s reactions (when I’m not getting grilled) to me more easily than to others, for like… a million reasons.

The common theme is that ALL of your reads seem to be in some way based on how they have interacted with you though. Not other people, or not behaviors in general. Every single one of your reads is essentially omgus.

Yeah, but if they can give favour they would obviously give me and Wylted favour, redirecting it from other people (in my role’s case, to their harm).

Vote Count

Awesome5000 3/6 - Wylted, Lunatic, Thoth

Mikal 1/6 - Magoroth

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